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   Nirvana  Wednesday Jul 7 01:35 PM

July 8, 2010: Fingernailed

What were you thinking MS Lohan?

LINK





Sundae  Wednesday Jul 7 01:52 PM

Send her to prison, I say!



Pete Zicato  Wednesday Jul 7 01:58 PM

She is going - 90 days.

Which hopefully means a 90 day moratorium on media coverage of the mess she's made of her life.



Sundae  Wednesday Jul 7 02:02 PM

(I know)



glatt  Wednesday Jul 7 02:05 PM

Awesome! I love today's camera technology.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jul 7 02:17 PM

Better pic.



Nirvana  Wednesday Jul 7 02:36 PM

What about NSFW?



classicman  Wednesday Jul 7 02:51 PM

meh



Shawnee123  Wednesday Jul 7 03:17 PM

The only difference between many of us and Lindsey is we're not famous, we're a little older and wiser, our parents aren't five kinds of money-grubbing pimps, and we don't have the paparazzi following us around everywhere we go.

Nice to see self-admitted addicts wanting to hang the self-admitted addict.

Compassion abounds.



glatt  Wednesday Jul 7 03:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
Compassion abounds.
You don't think that by showing up in court like that, she's showing contempt for the whole legal system? If she's showing contempt like that, then why should anyone show her compassion?

I hope she turns her life around. She's got a lot of talent, and if she can get her act together, it's probably not too late for her. She doesn't seem to give a shit though. It's sad. She's a chip off the old block for sure.


HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Jul 7 03:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
What about NSFW?
If you've got some, post it please.


Nirvana  Wednesday Jul 7 04:20 PM

Truthfully I don't think she thought about her nail design for the court room. I think she did it for the paparazzi to be seen after court when she "got off on more probation."

Not only does she have 90 days in jail after that she has 90 days in rehab. I hope she gets her mind right.



Shawnee123  Wednesday Jul 7 04:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
You don't think that by showing up in court like that, she's showing contempt for the whole legal system? If she's showing contempt like that, then why should anyone show her compassion?

I hope she turns her life around. She's got a lot of talent, and if she can get her act together, it's probably not too late for her. She doesn't seem to give a shit though. It's sad. She's a chip off the old block for sure.
I too think it was just a "fuck you" in general, perhaps at the paparazzi, perhaps at the public gawking. Whatever it was, it was silly and childish and not conducive to complete and proper decorum...but no biggie. I hope she gets her act together too.

I have much more fun hatin' on the hookers and sleazemen on shows like "The Bachelor" or "Who Wants to Fuck a Millionaire" or "I'll sell my family's dignity, and teach my children to sell theirs, for 15 minutes of fame": the truly troubled "celebrities."

I'm glad I didn't party when I was young.


classicman  Wednesday Jul 7 05:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
You don't think that by showing up in court like that, she's showing contempt for the whole legal system? If she's showing contempt like that, then why should anyone show her compassion?
Right on! This piece of white trash has gotten more fucking compassion than any "non-celeb" would have. Fuck who? Fuck you Lindsay.
The courts have given you every friggin break in the world. YOU screwed up again and thought you were above the law
Go do your time and LEARN some respect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
Truthfully I don't think she thought about her nail design for the court room. I think she did it for the paparazzi to be seen after court when she "got off on more probation."
Yup - probably.


Shawnee123  Wednesday Jul 7 06:13 PM

Addicts will always try to sneak and bargain and plot and lie and cheat and steal, to get the object of their addiction. That's simple Addiction 101.

When it's a "celebrity" who gets "all the breaks" all of a sudden it is no longer an addict trying every trick in the book to keep using, it is a circus with the spectators throwing tomatoes and crying "YOU GOT EVERY CHANCE YOU PRIVILEGED LITTLE BRAT."

What if it were your child, going through such a monumental struggle against addiction? Do you think your own child should be held to such scrutiny? Why does addiction become that deep dark thing again...because seeing it in "celebrities" means it could be still with us? It's denial that addiction is a disease. It is a disease.

I'm not condoning her actions, I'm saying that this is hardly the time to throw tomatoes at Ms Lohan.



Shawnee123  Wednesday Jul 7 06:16 PM

Oh, and by the way. Just you wait until I make my "LEAVE LINDSEY ALONE, BOO HOO" video. Oh hell, it's probably already been done.



spudcon  Wednesday Jul 7 11:25 PM

Shawnee, you are awesome!



Trilby  Thursday Jul 8 04:33 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Shawnee, you are awesome!
well, she is an Ohio girl...




nil_orally  Thursday Jul 8 07:52 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post

What if it were your child, going through such a monumental struggle against addiction? Do you think your own child should be held to such scrutiny? Why does addiction become that deep dark thing again...because seeing it in "celebrities" means it could be still with us? It's denial that addiction is a disease. It is a disease.
Nope - it's a choice. A disease is an illness, like leukaemia, influenza or mumps. Most people do not chose to get a disease.

The trash did this to herself. I am sure she had fun getting to this point. Piper must be paid.

The pity is stocks are out of fashion.


Shawnee123  Thursday Jul 8 08:04 AM

We now return you to your regularly scheduled century.



Trilby  Thursday Jul 8 08:58 AM

snicker.



monster  Thursday Jul 8 10:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by nil_orally View Post
Nope - it's a choice. A disease is an illness, like leukaemia, influenza or mumps. Most people do not chose to get a disease.
Orly? If you follow proper hygeine and live away from other people -preferably in a mosquito-proof plastic bubble, then you will not contract diseases. Most people choose not to do this, so therefore they are making a choice to risk disease, no? How is that different from making a choice to risk addiction by trying an addictive substance? And where do you stand on mental illness? Burning at the stake?


spudcon  Thursday Jul 8 11:19 AM

I agree with Shawnee about not condemning someone because they are addicted to something. We don't know how that began, whether they were tricked or coerced, or just persuaded by a trusted friend or role model.
Having said that, I read years ago that Ms Lohan was a bitch to work with. It seems she hasn't yet found the humility necessary to get help for her problem. Writing fuck you on your fingernails shows where her attitude is. I think 90 days in the slammer and 90 days in rehab may work wonders for her.



Trilby  Thursday Jul 8 11:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTPRJqt2z4



classicman  Thursday Jul 8 11:53 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
I agree about not condemning someone because they are addicted to something.
Thats not what she is being criticized about.

Quote:
Writing fuck you on your fingernails shows where her attitude is. I think 90 days in the slammer and 90 days in rehab may work wonders for her.



SamIam  Thursday Jul 8 01:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
Addicts will always try to sneak and bargain and plot and lie and cheat and steal, to get the object of their addiction. That's simple Addiction 101.

When it's a "celebrity" who gets "all the breaks" all of a sudden it is no longer an addict trying every trick in the book to keep using, it is a circus with the spectators throwing tomatoes and crying "YOU GOT EVERY CHANCE YOU PRIVILEGED LITTLE BRAT."

What if it were your child, going through such a monumental struggle against addiction? Do you think your own child should be held to such scrutiny? Why does addiction become that deep dark thing again...because seeing it in "celebrities" means it could be still with us? It's denial that addiction is a disease. It is a disease.

I'm not condoning her actions, I'm saying that this is hardly the time to throw tomatoes at Ms Lohan.
I am all for throwing tomatoes at her. Can we spell "enable"? Yes, the poor thing has a piss poor attitude because she is an addict and doesn't want to quit. I have zero sympathy for her. She has been protected from the consequences of her actions up until now and she is playing "poor me" and being defiant because she can no longer get her own way.

How many alcoholics and addicts do you think would get into recovery if they never had to pay the consequences of their own actions? Most of them would spend their lives sunbathing on the banks of the Nile.

Addiction is not like cancer. If you really want to recover, you do have a fighting chance. Getting into recovery from alcoholism was one of the hardest things I have ever done. But I know that today I will not pick up that first drink.

I do not expect a get out of jail free card for the things I did drinking just because I have a disease. A major part of recovery consists of taking responsibility for your own actions and making amends to those you have harmed.


Trilby  Thursday Jul 8 01:33 PM

I think she gets away with her shit because she's so cute.

Cuteness has killed a LOT of addicts.



classicman  Thursday Jul 8 02:46 PM

Excellent post Sam - many good points



spudcon  Thursday Jul 8 03:22 PM

No matter what path an addict takes, they will pay the consequences sooner and later. Those brain cells don't grow back, and the damage to cells will come back to bite you later in life.



classicman  Thursday Jul 8 04:08 PM

Yup. My memory loss is attributed to a very well misspent youth.



Shawnee123  Thursday Jul 8 04:46 PM

When we can point and judge, and roll our eyes in chagrin, we must be diverting attention from our own fucked up choices, and our own misguidance, and say to ourselves "no mishap from shenanigans have ever landed on my doorstep." This must be the most glorious of assertions, whether it is true or not.



BigV  Thursday Jul 8 06:59 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
I think she gets away with her shit because she's so cute.

Cuteness has killed a LOT of addicts.
I take great comfort from this. What a relief!


SamIam  Thursday Jul 8 07:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
When we can point and judge, and roll our eyes in chagrin, we must be diverting attention from our own fucked up choices, and our own misguidance, and say to ourselves "no mishap from shenanigans have ever landed on my doorstep." This must be the most glorious of assertions, whether it is true or not.
You bet I judge her. I know where she's coming from because I pulled the same crap myself, and I paid one hell of a high price for it. Have you ever considered that many young people look up to her as a role model? What a tragedy. Alcohol and drugs kill people - lots of people. Addiction is one of the most serious diseases out there. Never mind what I did to myself. I could have gotten into my car drunk and killed innocent people. It is only by the grace of God that this did not happen.

Many "mishaps from my shenanigans" landed on my doorstep. Thank God that they were not worse than they were.


glatt  Thursday Jul 8 09:25 PM

So when you get a jail sentence, you don't necessarily always end up serving the entire sentence. You can get time sliced off for good behavior, or if the place is crowded, you might get released early.

Think the officials who decide these things will let her out early, now that everyone knows about what her fingernails said in court? I wouldn't be surprised if she served the full 90 days.



monster  Thursday Jul 8 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
and the damage to cells will come back to bite you later in life.
Not necessarily. Brain cells are very retrainable and there are a huge quantity underused in the average person. But you have to want it and give them a work out. You don't get muscle tone without movement, you don't get brain function without thought. Exercise is key.

(look at any stroke rehab study)


monster  Thursday Jul 8 11:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
When we can point and judge, and roll our eyes in chagrin, we must be diverting attention from our own fucked up choices, and our own misguidance, and say to ourselves "no mishap from shenanigans have ever landed on my doorstep." This must be the most glorious of assertions, whether it is true or not.
Hmmm. Is it just my beer-loving perception, or is it mostly the reformed addicts who point and condemn this Lohan woman? Just like reformed smokers are the nastiest, rudest anti-smoking people? And the divorcees are the most anti-marriage? (uh-oh is marriage an addiction too?)

I have no time for Lohan myself, but i have little time for any celebrity. Or criminal. Yup, she's an addict. yup she tried to weasel out of punishment/rehab. yup she hoped her celebrity would help her do that.... if you took the average addict in the street and offered them celeb status, do you think they would clean up their act, or use it to try and get out of the legal consequenses of their actions?

Methinks all y'all former addicts are just jealous you didn't have celebrity to add to your arsenal of excuses for your addiction before you got cured. But you'd have used it the same way she tried to if you'd have had it.


nil_orally  Friday Jul 9 05:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
Orly? .... And where do you stand on mental illness? Burning at the stake?
Nah, as an engineer and previously a carpenter, I think this is not a very good use of perfectly good timber.

My wife has bipolar disorder and suffers deep, deep bouts of depression. She had this condition when I met her, so I made the commitments to her in full knowledge. So to answer the question, I stand in support of anyone I can who suffers.

Why do I have such a hard attitude against drug-f*cked people like Ms Lohan? Let me see, in no particular order of impact to me:
1. A dfa (drug-f*cked ars*hole) crossed the 4 lane highway median strip and ran into my mate's car killing his wife and two kids. The dfa got off with 100 hours of community service.
2. A dfa ran into the back of my bike when stopped at a red light. No screeching tyres - no attempt to stop. Punched it out from between my legs. I ended up in the back of the tray of the ute (pickup) for about 150m, until I was thrown out as she hurled around a roundabout trying to disappear before anyone got her number. Claimed in the police interview she didn't see me because of the blizzard. It was a 35C day in December (summer in Oz). The dfa got a 3 month suspended sentence. She did not have insurance (or rego), and my insurance mob claimed market value was $3500 less than what I had paid when I rode it out of the showroom an hour and a half earlier.
3. A dfa (probably not the same one) has broken into my house or car to steal things 8 times now.
4. A dfa ruined a friend's singing career when he slashed across the face and throat because she was taking too long to hand over her phone and purse when being mugged. She was shaking with fear at the time. She still talks strangely, and refuses to look people in the eye in case she sees them looking at her facial scar. 23 stitches. The dfa had a sob story, so got a suspended sentence. Marteen is still serving hers.

Calling a drug addiction a disease implies the person has a medical condition that requires our empathy. Bullshit. These people need a funnel inserted into an orifice and one of their victims to pour aqua regia in, preferably warmed to 20C above ambient. I would not suggest the mouth, as then one wouldn't hear the screams.


toranokaze  Friday Jul 9 05:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by nil_orally View Post
Nope - it's a choice. A disease is an illness, like leukaemia, influenza or mumps. Most people do not chose to get a disease.
By that criterion:
Everyone who got skin cancer from sun bathing. They did it to themselves. Fuck them they don't need chemotherapy because they choose to go in the sun.

Depression because you choose to stay in bed you choose to not go outside you choose to eat a bullet. They don't need therapy or anti-depressants because they choose to let themselves be taken over my sadness


How about schizophrenia they choose to hear the voices, they choose to listen to them so why do they need medication.

All pain suffering and illness can be show as a sequence of choices that doesn't mean someone doesn't need help.

Furthermore, she can be both a bitch and an alcoholic they are not mutually exclusive


SPUCK  Friday Jul 9 06:54 AM

---Webstirs Dicktionary---

Main Entry: losˇer
Pronunciation: \ˈlü-zər\
Function: noun

1 : a person or thing that loses especially consistently
2 : a person who is incompetent or unable to succeed; also : something doomed to fail or disappoint
3: Lindsay Lohan



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 06:56 AM

I can't wait to make fun of all your kids and revel in their misgivings. Please to list all your friends, family, and associates who are dealing with demons, so that I may point out how horrible they are as humans. Those on the road to recovery need not apply, unless they slip, then the mighty hammer of guilt shall be brought down upon their heads. That'll keep 'em straight.

edit: the girl received fair punishment, that hopefully will get her on the road to recovery. Why are so many so bitter at HER, just another addict in a sea? Because she's a celebrity. Seems silly, disease knows no social status. I suspect an underlying whine "but if I had all SHE has I'd be grateful and oh so responsible." You don't know. You haven't walked a mile in her 4000 shoes. Jealousy.



Trilby  Friday Jul 9 07:39 AM

monster - I have sympathy for LiLo. She's cute and rich and talented - a deadly trifecta for an addict if ever there was one.

I have been forced to watch her slow train wreck of a life and I get no happiness from it. I know I'm an addict - I know I am weak and I know my brain has been warped and habituated due to my own choices (that soon enough weren't 'choices' but 'compulsions')

Lindsay is crying, begging for help IMHO. Even the tips of her fingers are a cry for help. I hope someone is strong enough to give her the help she needs. she NEEDS jail/rehab. She probably needs a bodyguard to protect her from herself.



Griff  Friday Jul 9 07:49 AM

The girl needs to change her mind, but I can't see where she'd get the determination from. Jail time might be a chance to breath but she needs to do some serious work by herself on herself. She strikes me as too cynical to embrace whatever system "The Man" foists on her. Has there ever been a child actor who didn't have a crack-up?



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jul 9 08:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by toranokaze View Post
All pain suffering and illness can be show as a sequence of choices that doesn't mean someone doesn't need help.
Yes help, not sympathy.


classicman  Friday Jul 9 08:48 AM

Oh the poor thing - she's an addict.
Take it easy on her.
Its not her fault.
She can't help herself.
Its a disease.
Give her a hug.
.
.
.
.
.
.


STOP ENABLING THE FUCKING BAD BEHAVIOR
before something really terrible happens that affects not only hers, but dozens of other peoples lives as well.... FOREVER.
This can and does end up as a life sentence for completely innocent people.

ETA: for some it is already too late. Perhaps its not for her.
Look at Drew Barrymore for example.



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 08:49 AM

Hypocrite. Of all people.



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 08:50 AM

Oh, yeah, and no it's not about Lindsey. It's not about sympathy. It's about addiction. It's about hitting rock bottom before getting the help you need. Get over yourselves, holier than thou's.

I'm all for killing drunk drivers, but it's not my call.

Look at your own family. Condemn them for their mistakes...forever.



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 09:02 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff View Post
The girl needs to change her mind, but I can't see where she'd get the determination from. Jail time might be a chance to breath but she needs to do some serious work by herself on herself. She strikes me as too cynical to embrace whatever system "The Man" foists on her. Has there ever been a child actor who didn't have a crack-up?
Ron Howard.


Trilby  Friday Jul 9 09:13 AM

classic - for every finger you point at someone else, there are three pointing back at yourself.

No one is coddling LiLo. Not now, anyway. YOU ever spent any time in jail?



Griff  Friday Jul 9 09:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
Ron Howard.
No shit, how'd that happen?


classicman  Friday Jul 9 09:21 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
classic - for every finger you point at someone else, there are three pointing back at yourself.
YOU ever spent any time in jail?
Yup - you?
I've had issues with addiction personally and I've tragedy strike those close to me. I got a damn good understanding of where this can lead.

And its about fucking time that people stopped coddling her and those like her. For all these people to want to act like its OK, dismiss her issues and make excuses for for her is ridiculous.
IT IS NOT OK.
There is still time for people to step in and HELP her... before its too late.
Its too late for too many others.


Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 09:23 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff View Post
No shit, how'd that happen?
Probably good parenting, or just plain damn luck!


Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 10:23 AM

Think how it would feel if, rather than a huge outpouring of support from family, friends, and even strangers, everyone turned their back on you, called you names, told you to suck it up.

As to the quitting drinking crap, I've heard that a lot, peppered with "oh, I'm having a few beers tonight" if the social atmosphere seemed to call for a couple beers. That's not addiction. That's drink-guilt. Oh, and lying.



Pete Zicato  Friday Jul 9 10:27 AM

I don't blame people for having addictions. I blame people for aiding and abetting their addictions. I don't see Lindsay fighting the good fight.



SamIam  Friday Jul 9 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
if you took the average addict in the street and offered them celeb status, do you think they would clean up their act, or use it to try and get out of the legal consequenses of their actions?

Methinks all y'all former addicts are just jealous you didn't have celebrity to add to your arsenal of excuses for your addiction before you got cured. But you'd have used it the same way she tried to if you'd have had it.
LOL I'd have done ANYTHING to keep drinking and get away with it!


Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 10:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Zicato View Post
I don't blame people for having addictions. I blame people for aiding and abetting their addictions. I don't see Lindsay fighting the good fight.
If everyone immediately fought the good fight, there would be no addiction, yes?

What is the time frame for rock bottom? Is she off schedule? The silly tramp. Off with her head for not having that epiphany that former addicts report, on everyone else's terms and in anyone else's time. Not fit for society, that one.


classicman  Friday Jul 9 10:45 AM

She doesn't have to fight, Pete. She's on so many medications right now its ridiculous.
She is a media created cash cow. What she needs is to get away from her false friends, dysfunctional family and management team who are more concerned with living off of her than in her own well being. Odds of that actually happening? ZERO.
Then again she is getting advice from her "friends who have already gone to jail, Kim Kardashian and Lane Garrison who killed a passenger in his car while driving drunk.



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 10:48 AM

OH. MY. GAWD.

Too much. I gotta get out of this thread. For christ's fuck.



SamIam  Friday Jul 9 11:08 AM

Shawnee, if I ever start drinking again (God forbid), I want you as my sponsor.



glatt  Friday Jul 9 11:14 AM

I read this morning that her lawyer quit.



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 11:15 AM

Quote:
Shawnee, if I ever start drinking again (God forbid), I want you as my sponsor.
Heehehe...no you don't. I would totally suck at sponsoring. I'm good at commiserating though, if there's an opening. And stay on the path, Sam, you are doing wonderfully!

glatt: her lawyer looked pretty disgusted with her in the sentencing video, as I would have been.

I hope the girl gets some help. She needs it.


Spexxvet  Friday Jul 9 11:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
She doesn't have to fight, Pete. She's on so many medications right now its ridiculous.
She is a media created cash cow. What she needs is to get away from her false friends, dysfunctional family and management team who are more concerned with living off of her than in her own well being. Odds of that actually happening? ZERO.
Then again she is getting advice from her "friends who have already gone to jail, Kim Kardashian and Lane Garrison who killed a passenger in his car while driving drunk.
How do you know all this?


Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 11:28 AM

Ha! The media?



jinx  Friday Jul 9 12:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
Methinks all y'all former addicts are just jealous you didn't have celebrity to add to your arsenal of excuses for your addiction before you got cured. But you'd have used it the same way she tried to if you'd have had it.
I think the former addicts just know what needs to be done - they are walking the walk. Compassion doesn't help, even if you keep it up for years, it just makes it easier on the addict to stay addicted.


Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 12:26 PM

But there is a difference between compassion and enabling, as there is a difference between enabling and stoning ('scuse the pun.) People with support systems (compassion without enabling) are typically more successful. Being ashamed of oneself is a huge symptom (could be chicken AND egg) of addiction, and a real roadblock in not only seeking help, but in stepping forward and making one's way out of the shit.

I agree that "awww, poor poor thing" helps no one. I also think public condemnation helps no one. When one has one's foot in the door, whether by force or by free will, they can best be served by compassion without pity, encouragement without excuses.



Nirvana  Friday Jul 9 12:37 PM

I think the system may be enabling her if she is allowed to take one of her prescription drugs. A couple I can see like Zoloft and Adderall but WTF does she need dilaudid ?



classicman  Friday Jul 9 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jinx View Post
I think the former addicts just know what needs to be done - they are walking the walk. Compassion doesn't help, even if you keep it up for years, it just makes it easier on the addict to stay addicted.
Hello!


jinx  Friday Jul 9 12:50 PM

When all of your compassion is used up, your addict will still be an addict. And while they will have forgiven themselves for all the lying/sneaking/stealing/addict behavior that led you there, they will be angry with you for your lack of compassion.



classicman  Friday Jul 9 12:52 PM

... and blame you for all the wrongs they've done.



Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 12:57 PM

Classic, how can you keep proclaiming what a former addict you are? Just a couple weeks ago you posted about the beers you were drinking. I've heard it time and time again from you, how you've conquered some demons (which as far as I can tell was normal young people partying) then raising a beer in a thread or saying "I don't know, I was drinking beers (or wine) that night."

But yeah, big man is walking the walk, talking the talk, lying the lie. As per usual. Hey, it could all be true, but will you make up your mind what YOUR personal truth is? You don't seem to have much of a handle on it.

And the addict in my life thanked me, still does, for being there for him when he was ready to get out of rock bottom.

I see whining about being prey to an addict as pitiful as pity for the addict themself.



Trilby  Friday Jul 9 02:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jinx View Post
...while they will have forgiven themselves for all the lying/sneaking/stealing/addict behavior that led you there, they will be angry with you for your lack of compassion.
Most addicts (including myself) have never forgiven themselves and are their own worst enemy/critic/hater which makes it hard to recover AND the addicted brain LOVES to use this as an excuse.

LiLo is afraid - and who wouldn't be? - and it doesn't seem like she has any internal coping mechanisms or reserve (ha! hence the addiction!) so it makes perfect sense for her to throw a tantrum. I can only hope she turns it around the way Robert Downey Jr. did - coz that man was effed up before he cleaned it up.


classicman  Friday Jul 9 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
I can only hope she turns it around the way Robert Downey Jr. did - coz that man was effed up before he cleaned it up.
Great example, I forgot about him. IIRC wasn't he a selection in the death pool a few years ago?


squirell nutkin  Friday Jul 9 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by monster View Post
H (uh-oh is marriage an addiction too?)
Love is a state of mind.
Marriage is an institution.
Getting married to someone you love is being in a Mental Institution.


Sundae  Friday Jul 9 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman View Post
Then again she is getting advice from her "friends who have already gone to jail, Kim Kardashian and Lane Garrison who killed a passenger in his car while driving drunk.
Just correcting a fact - Khloe Kardashian was convicted of a DUI, not Kim.

Personally I don't have any sympathy for LiLo. Why should I? She'd have none for me.
I do not condemn her for being an addict. I don't even judge her for it.
I just think once she's in the system she should follow the rules.

The not-drinking rule - bloody hard. You can't push an addict into a recovery that way.
But she's had TWO DUIs. That's pretty poor. I'm sure the bracelet was not fitted after the first one.
She can drink her head off as far as I'm concerned - I don't know her so I don't care about her. But if you've been convicted once for heaven's sake don't do it again. And this is where the money comes into it - she can afford a taxi. She must have loads of friends with cars. She can stay home and order in - keep it off the streets.

AND she has been missing the classes prescribed.
One because she went to Cannes.
That is when I think "Just suck it up". Do your classes. It's not overly punitive. They are for an offence THREE YEARS AGO. How many classes could there have been? My government-funded course was only 11 weeks and I jumped through hoops to get on it. Sadly it wasn't for me, but I turned up all the same just because I'd got a place. If I thought I might go to prison otherwise I'd have camped on their doorstep.

Sorry, I now sound like I have an issue with her. I don't really. But when I sit down to think about it I tend to strip the addict part out and just see a young lady who thought she could buck the system. She's learned she can't, in a rather unpleasant way. But better this than her getting tanked up behind the wheel and next time ending someone's life.


Shawnee123  Friday Jul 9 03:26 PM

Drunk drivers are lucky if they don't kill themselves, or their friends, or complete strangers. No argument there.

I am surprised at other addicts who can't have any compassion (yes, even for the sneakiness, the duplicity, the "fuck you" attitude that pervades an addicts mind.) Then again, sometimes people are truly addicts and sometimes it's a way to get attention.

Maybe, and I don't know, once one has come through on the other side there is no memory of what it felt like. Hopefully that is true healing, I would hate to think of it as dry-drunkenness or ostrich-head sand-stuffing.

I don't think Ms Lohan would act so repulsively to get attention: that is a true addict acting out right there. Addicts don't care how ugly you think they look, or how horrible you think they are. They need help, not "poo-poo's" from those who've never dealt with it, or those who think they have but have no idea of the depths addiction can take one to. Or, just can't seem beyond themself to realize that one size doesn't fit all in the timeline, treatment, and realization of addiction. 'Cause that would be the epitome of egocentrism.

I, for one, applaud Bri for her honesty in all her dealings with her demons. I would think that being an innerly honest person would help one truly recover. You DA girl, girl!



classicman  Friday Jul 9 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl View Post
Just correcting a fact - Khloe Kardashian was convicted of a DUI, not Kim.
Just for accuracy, I never said Kim got a DUI.
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I just think once she's in the system she should follow the rules.
She can drink her head off as far as I'm concerned - I don't know her so I don't care about her. But she can afford a taxi. She must have loads of friends with cars. She can stay home and order in - keep it off the streets.

AND she has been missing the classes prescribed.
One because she went to Cannes.
That is when I think "Just suck it up". Do your classes. It's not overly punitive. They are for an offence THREE YEARS AGO. How many classes could there have been?
If I thought I might go to prison otherwise I'd have camped on their doorstep.
I tend to strip the addict part out and just see a (SPOILED) young lady who thought she could buck the system. She's learned she can't, in a rather unpleasant way. But better this than her getting tanked up behind the wheel and next time ending someone's life.
BOLD MINE
yup yup yup


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jul 9 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff View Post
No shit, how'd that happen?
Andy and Aunt Bea drug him up proper.

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Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
Most addicts (including myself) have never forgiven themselves and are their own worst enemy/critic/hater which makes it hard to recover AND the addicted brain LOVES to use this as an excuse.

LiLo is afraid - and who wouldn't be? - and it doesn't seem like she has any internal coping mechanisms or reserve (ha! hence the addiction!) so it makes perfect sense for her to throw a tantrum. I can only hope she turns it around the way Robert Downey Jr. did - coz that man was effed up before he cleaned it up.
She's been "somebody special" her whole life... the paparazzi, the money, the A list parties. Her addiction isn't a problem for me, plenty of addicts go through life without hurting anyone else, functioning and paying their way. But when they think they are above worrying about hurting others, it's time to slap them down. The court allowed her to keep taking the 5 prescriptions because they don't care what she does to herself, the court is trying to keep her from hurting others.


classicman  Wednesday Jul 14 03:20 PM

Lesbian Prison Gangs Waiting to Get Hands on Lindsay Lohan, Inmate Says

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Inmates of the jail where Lindsay Lohan is set to spend up to 90 days have warned of gangs out to attack the starlet, saying "everyone will want a piece of her," one inmate said in an interview with The Sun.
Bwahahahahahah

They actually took the time to write this story?


squirell nutkin  Wednesday Jul 14 03:22 PM

that woudl explain why the tabloids want to get her exclusive post prison story. They know something LiLo don't



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jul 14 05:04 PM

She won't be in jail more than two dozen days, and won't have contact with Lesbian prison gangs.



squirell nutkin  Wednesday Jul 14 08:58 PM

So there's no justice?



classicman  Wednesday Jul 14 09:21 PM

We should ask whip what the over/under is.



Leah  Thursday Jul 15 02:19 AM

I can't stand her, I hope she gets locked away for a long time. Maybe it will fix her head up being behind bars. I bet she gets treated like a queen in there.



glatt  Thursday Jul 15 08:48 AM

Martha Stewart got treated like a queen because she was nice to her fellow inmates. They liked her. I can't picture Lindsay making friends.



wolf  Thursday Jul 15 01:38 PM

The only difference between Ms. Lohan and my own entitled, miserable, demanding drunks and junkies is the level of income.

I have a quote from PK Dick that I keep taped to the desk.

"Drug use is not a disease, it is a decision, much like the decision to step out in front of a moving. car."

The disease model has screwed up effective treatment for years ... "Oooh, cool, it's NOT my fault. It's my genes, it's my alcoholic dad, it's my spoiled and pampered upbringing." None of those things forced your arm to go up and down to your mouth.

And she needs a new shrink ... no responsible doctor should be prescribing benzos or amphetamines to someone who already has an addictions diagnosis. That's another thing I see far too often. Adderall handed out like candy to speedfreaks.

She's got a whole new career in front of her, anyway ... next season on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. I look forward to seeing her argue with Tom Sizemore around the pool.



classicman  Thursday Jul 15 01:42 PM

Oh wolf. What the hell do you know about it?
Whats that? You've been working in this field for decades.. .. ..
<crickets chirping>



wolf  Thursday Jul 15 01:50 PM

Yer funny.



Undertoad  Thursday Jul 15 02:56 PM

We can figure this out.

Points that support the disease model:



Points that support the decision model:



Undertoad  Thursday Jul 15 02:59 PM

disease:
Some races are immune to alcoholism because of different reactions it causes in them.

decision:
Anyone who successfully follows a lifelong abstinence policy will not be affected.



Shawnee123  Thursday Jul 15 03:05 PM

Wait, what? Are you trying to say that alcohol and drugs cause some kind of "chemical" reaction? The HELL you say! You've got some farfetched ideas young man. Now pull yourself up by your bootstraps and put that crack away, you cuckoo bird!



Trilby  Thursday Jul 15 03:08 PM

[quote=wolf;670813]None of those things forced your arm to go up and down to your mouth.[/wolf]

Yeah. The same to fucking fat people, too, who whine about how expensive fresh food is. NOBODY FUCKING FORCED THEM TO EAT AT McDonalds and Wendys and stuff chocolate in their pie holes, did they?? No body forced them to overeat like gluttons - fuck 'em! Let 'em all die of high trigylcerides and HTN, cancer and cholesterol!

Why FFS should insurance co. pay fucking MONEY to have their fucking stomachs stapled????

Right?

Bologna.



classicman  Thursday Jul 15 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
Bologna.
no thank you - Roast Beef or Turkey please


Undertoad  Thursday Jul 15 03:25 PM

disease:
Simply stopping causes serious, negative, sometimes life-threatening physical reactions in almost all addicts.

decision:
There are people who simply decided to stop and therein did so successfully.



Shawnee123  Thursday Jul 15 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
Yeah. The same to fucking fat people, too, who whine about how expensive fresh food is. NOBODY FUCKING FORCED THEM TO EAT AT McDonalds and Wendys and stuff chocolate in their pie holes, did they?? No body forced them to overeat like gluttons - fuck 'em! Let 'em all die of high trigylcerides and HTN, cancer and cholesterol!

Why FFS should insurance co. pay fucking MONEY to have their fucking stomachs stapled????

Right?

Bologna.

Why should people get free money (disability) because they're too fat to work? They'll just spend it all at McDonald's, they ain't got nuttin' else to do all day. We're enabling them!


Why does insurance cover ANYTHING that is the person's own fault? Does insurance deny coverage to a drunk driver who wrecks and is hurt? Does insurance deny coverage to giant asses? Do we deny vision insurance because we read too much? Do we deny dental insurance because someone chewed way too much Juicy Fruit? Do we deny rhinoplasty because some dumbass had his nose so far up people's asses it was deformed? No!

Because we live in a society.


Spexxvet  Monday Jul 19 03:10 PM

Do insurance companies pay to deliver babies? That was your decision!



Trilby  Monday Jul 19 03:27 PM

spexx - quit being an idiot.

Midwives used to deliver babies until doctors (MALE doctors) saw dollar signs and drove them out of business. Now that malpractice is so high for Ob-gyns, they are willing to give the practice back to the midwives.

At any rate - there's no comparison between the issues.



wolf  Tuesday Jul 20 02:09 PM

Miss Lohan showed up fashionably late to court today, surprised the judge didn't throw in a contempt citation for that.

Not sure what to make of the maneuvering with Shapiro and the improperly completed form to change attorney of record, though.



BigV  Tuesday Jul 20 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman View Post
Oh wolf. What the hell do you know about it?
--snip
Dat's some funny shit right there.


Trilby  Wednesday Jul 21 07:47 AM

Chuh. According to TMZ, ole LiLo will get her Adderall and Ambien whilst in the pokey.


What a crock.



classicman  Wednesday Jul 21 09:39 AM

Yeh they said she's only gonna be there 14 days as well.
Her Dad was on Larry King last night with his atty.Trying to play the concerned parent card ... AGAIN. I dunno, maybe he really does care about more than just the money.
Still, he spent a lot of time disparaging the mother. Good job - NOT.



SPUCK  Thursday Jul 22 06:24 AM

He is one of those saying she needs to not be allowed to take ANY drugs, prescription or otherwise.. Which I agree with.



classicman  Thursday Jul 22 08:33 AM

I know, SPUCK. I agree with that as well, but the way he came off on LKL was terrible.



Shawnee123  Thursday Jul 22 09:00 AM

Can you imagine going through some kind of personal hell (those above that sort of thing exempted, of course) and having your father go on tv to tell everyone how this should be done? Were his great ideas how she should be handled in PLACE of the bad parenting, or just an addendum? No wonder the girl is fucked up. Thanks for the support, daddio.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jul 22 11:36 AM

Like any good CEO, he's taking charge of damage control, and trying to get his cash cow back in the black.



Shawnee123  Thursday Jul 22 11:40 AM

That's true, and I know it happens a lot, but the naive side of me is really sad to think of horrible awful parents.



classicman  Thursday Jul 22 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
...trying to get his cash cow back in the black.
Thats exactly how he came across.


SPUCK  Friday Jul 23 06:11 AM

And here we go again... Daddy has been arrested for attacking his girl friend.. sigh



Lamplighter  Friday Jul 23 08:53 AM

Families that play together stay... that way



classicman  Monday Aug 2 02:50 PM

From CNN ...

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Actress Lindsay Lohan was released from the Lynwood Correctional Facility early Monday morning after less than two weeks behind bars, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said.
Let the next phase begin. I'm sure wolf has made all the preparations for her imminent arrival.


dmg1969  Monday Aug 2 04:07 PM

What a crock. They should have kept her in for her entire sentence. The special treatment celebrities get makes me sick. She was in just long enough to give the appearance of NOT getting special treatment.



Shawnee123  Monday Aug 2 04:17 PM

It's completely normal, actually, for such sentences to be cut short.

But complain more, guys, there is so much to be outraged about here.



Sundae  Tuesday Aug 3 02:10 PM

You have to ask what serves the community better?
Giving a cell to someone with a DUI from 3 years ago, or allowing someone else within the prison community to spend time in solitary confinement?

I'm not a fan of custodial sentences for minor offences (my "lock her up comment" was tongue in cheek, knowing she had already been sentenced at that point). I think community work serves far better, is cheaper and more useful, and rarely gets cut down to this extent. What would I rather pay for, someone to pick up litter on the streets and have a curfew in their own home for three months, or someone to be housed, fed and clothed by the state for 13 days?

I'm not anti-Lohan.
I'm not unsympathetic to addicts.
I believe in treatment rather than punishment.
I just can't bring myself to care about someone who acts dangerously and then doesn't fulfil reasonable stipulations imposed.

Meh, maybe it's my hatred of people who turn up late or cancel at the last minute.
My reactionary heart believes it should probably be legal to gun them down in the street like the dogs that they are.



Shawnee123  Tuesday Aug 3 02:21 PM

See, this is the rub. Many who would profess "why the fuck do I care about some damn 'celebrity'" if say, we were talking about Celebrity A marrying Celebrity B, and would poo-poo the interest in such fluff. However, if for some reason it seems like Celebrity A is getting something over that "normal" citizens do not, all of a sudden it matters a great deal what those previously "who cares about" celebrities do, or don't do.

This has been mostly my crusade in the matter: the hypocrites I speak of could also very well be run down or gunned down like the dogs they are (only I think most dogs are OK, and deserve better treatment.) Really, the tilting at windmills and whine has become tiresome.

Regardless, as I said, this is pretty much the way it works, regardless of who Ms Lohan is or isn't, or whether we like her or not, whether she turns her life around or not. Joe Blow the fuck kid who smashed up a road sign would go through the same process. But we don't hear much about Joe Blow the fuck kid. Joe Blow the fuck kid gets a bit more privacy.

Damn, can you imagine the uproar if there had been interwebz when Marcia Marcia Marcia Brady was a giant cokehead?



Sundae  Tuesday Aug 3 02:35 PM

I see where you're coming from.
And I get what you mean.
I guess how I feel is that Joe Blow didn't make his money from the media.
So Joe Blow gets privacy.
I fucked up my life in private, so I'll not get a magazine deal out of it.

Having no addiction is FAR better than having no money.
But neither the star nor Joe Blow gets that choice.
She doesn't get to pay to magically (as in Harry Potter) remove her addiction - all the money in the world doesn't make that happen.
But neither does Joe Blow get the money to cope with his.

I don't suscribe to the "I paid your wages!" view.
Having worked in the public sector and as a barmaid it's one that rankles. And I don't believe those that court publicity should have every secret of their lives divulged. Like I said before - if she was drinking herself to death behind closed doors I'd villify any publication that tried to intrude. But once you're already in the judicial system things are pretty much common knowledge. And if millions of people have paid to follow you previously, you can bet more millions will want to watch you fall.

Meh, I don't know where I'm going with this.
Don't hate me because I have a drinking problem, hate me because I'm not a millionaire.



Undertoad  Tuesday Aug 3 02:41 PM

Actor Barry Williams wrote in his book that he was stoned during the filming of this scene:




Shawnee123  Tuesday Aug 3 02:42 PM



Damn Joe Blow anyway!

Also, just an aside, think about people coking their heads off at Studio 54 back in the day. Certainly there wasn't the market for the kind of sneaky amateur publicity like there is now, but also...could it have been that we just didn't give as much of a fuck? Have our lives become so freaking "safe" and boring that outrage at Lohan or Lohan-likes gives us something to be passionate about? Of course, I find that a bit sad. I also think that if there were not so many who got their panties in a bunch (as some like to say) about such stupid "how does that affect me again?" crap, then there wouldn't be a market and she wouldn't be plastered all over the supposed "news." National Enquirer, maybe, but when did the whole world start giving such a shit?

eta: UT: I mentioned Maureen McCormick after picking up HER book at Odd Lots (for 3 bucks!) It was about what I expected but I did think at the time where was any scandal surrounding her shenanigans? It just wasn't what it is today. Barry looks stoned, did you see how he was tripping around the bicycle pump?

Groovy, Greg!



Sundae  Tuesday Aug 3 02:46 PM

You should try reading the daily right-wing tabloids here...
They can froth at the mouth about any subject from Princess Diana, to immigration, to benefits (usually followed by the word "scroungers!") to political correctness to health & safety to... well... just about anything.

It's a new Victorianism.
Which was hypocritical the first time round.
Like no journalist has ever got drunk, snorted coke, had an affair or cheated on their expenses? Ha.



Shawnee123  Tuesday Aug 3 02:49 PM

Yeah, like no one expects them to be a "role model."



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