Aug 5, 2010: China's Big Bus

This fall, in Beijing, construction will begin on the first 186km of track for what is called the "3D Express Coach". Rather than acquiring new land, or competing with traffic, this big bus will pass over traffic... and allow traffic to pass under it.

I foresee this ending very badly

Looks pretty innovative to me. If a concept such as the autobahn works, there's a strong possibility that this could work too. Probably just a matter of training drivers appropriately.

Yes! Very, very, badly.

Since Chinese can't drive worth a damn now, how are they ever going to handle the added complexity of rolling spaces.

Watch this movie you will see what I mean. It's like they have no idea.

One would have to VERY careful when executing that left turn in Albuquerque.

Now is the time to reiterate my theory (based on 1.5 years experience living in beautiful industrial Wuhan) that in places like Australia everyone expects everyone else to do the right thing (follow the rules etc...) and then is surprised/gets really pissed off when they don't. In a place like China, no-one expects anyone to follow the rules, so aren't surprised when they don't and deal with it much better.

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Originally Posted by toranokaze I foresee this ending very badly

Loves Spucks video especially at 2:02 she nudges him over with her car made me chuckle. Was also noticing a lack of decent lines on the roads or traffic lights.

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Originally Posted by casimendocina (based on 1.5 years experience living in beautiful industrial Wuhan)

I think they should invent the stop sign first!

It appears to run on rails?
In which case, no more dangerous than trams mixed with traffic.

No matter how "adventurous" your driving style, you learn pretty early on not to mess with trams, buses, bin lorries etc. This would be the same.
I question just how economical it would be though. The space taken via the space utilised (for passengers) is less than 50%. Aren't subways still a better solution? NONE of the traffic issues and 99% passenger space?

But if you don't already have subways, digging them from scratch while a city still functions on top is basically impossible. And geology can be a problem too--I don't know about China, but around here we will never, ever have subways because the whole area is sitting on top of solid limestone rock.

But either way, I think the problem with the normal trams is less about danger and more about convenience. They move slowly, and then they stop every couple of blocks and hold up traffic. (This is exactly what our public buses do here.) With this over-traffic model, when the tram stops the rest of the traffic just keeps right on going.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble But if you don't already have subways, digging them from scratch while a city still functions on top is basically impossible.

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl Trams in traffic are no better than buses.

what are "trams" as you use that term? electric buses that run on overhead cables?

Watch the tram car please.

I was assuming Sundae was talking about a streetcar that runs on rails in the road surface. That's what I'm talking about.

do we have any of those? except for cable cars in SF? do cities on the east coast have them?

Not anymore, thanks to Judge Doom.

(Actually, Pittsburgh's "subway" goes on the roads here and there. There are probably a few more scattered about.)

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Actually, Pittsburgh's "subway" goes on the roads here and there. There are probably a few more scattered about)

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Originally Posted by Cloud do we have any of those? except for cable cars in SF? do cities on the east coast have them?

Every 5 years or so, there's a big intiative to build a "light rail" system in Austin, but so far it's been voted down every time. Among other arguments, opponents are always pointing to the neverending construction boondoggle that was supposed to be light rail in Dallas, but to my knowledge still isn't operable after more than a decade.

I think it was stupid to rip the streetcar rails out in the first place and I think it's pretty silly to go through the bother to reinstall them again. The only good thing about streetcars over buses is that they are viewed as upscale. Admittedly, they run on electricity so they don't add to smog in the city center, but many buses run on natural gas, which is also very clean.

Buses are cheaper, and more flexible. If populations shift, you can drive the bus to a different neighborhood. Changing bus routes is easy. With rails, you are stuck literally in a rut. You can't drive around traffic jams. If some jerk in a car is outside of his lane and is blocking the track just by an inch or two, you have to just sit there and wait for him to move.

I wonder if an even taller straddle-bus could share the rails with the proposed one shown here. That way the buses could run simultaneously, in opposite directions, and still only use one bus worth of road. (It's my nature to keep improving things until they break.)

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Originally Posted by Cloud what are "trams" as you use that term? electric buses that run on overhead cables?

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Originally Posted by glatt I was assuming Sundae was talking about a streetcar that runs on rails in the road surface. That's what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by glatt Some do. Baltimore does, DC is installing a line, and Arlington VA is going to put a line in. I think Boston has some too. There are probably others.

That bus better be made out of Kryptonite. I spent a few months in Shanghai - I think the buses will get a shit kicking. Actually, despite the image that is always portrayed on the web I found Chinese drivers very laid back with a "no worries" attitude. I was in a cab once which grazed another vehicle & destroyed the driver's side mirror. Neither driver stopped and our driver didn't even look over at the other car. Now that's laid back.

Clever idea, but I wonder about accidents etc.


What they need is a ...



Monorail! monorail monorail monorail MONORAIL!

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Originally Posted by Nikolai Loves Spucks video especially at 2:02 she nudges him over with her car made me chuckle. Was also noticing a lack of decent lines on the roads or traffic lights.

You could say that the Chinese have a somewhat "organic" approach to driving. Everything just sort of flows...(here I'm building on the '"adventurous" but in a laid back sort of way' driving style theme.