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   xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Sep 30 02:30 AM

Sept 30, 2010: Mystery Meat

Ahh mystery meat, the magical ingredient staple in school cafeterias and cheap diners.
What's it taste like?
The cafeteria ladies, and greasy spoon chefs, reply, "Anything you want, kid, name it".
But what is it, what's it made from?
This batch, chicken.



Quote:
Say hello to mechanically separated chicken.
It’s what all fast-food chicken is made from—things like chicken nuggets and patties.
Also, the processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it.

Basically, the entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve—bones, eyes, guts, and all. it comes out looking like this.

There’s more: because it’s crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually.
Then, because it tastes gross, it will be reflavored artificially.
Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color.
Yum yum.

link


Pico and ME  Thursday Sep 30 02:38 AM

Oh God, no more chicken nuggets for me...ever. That's disgusting.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Sep 30 02:50 AM

Bubble gum python.



GunMaster357  Thursday Sep 30 04:46 AM



No wonder I prefer to buy whole chicken for cooking...
...and I almost never buy processed meat.



SPUCK  Thursday Sep 30 06:45 AM




Sheldonrs  Thursday Sep 30 07:15 AM

Just like Mom used to process.



casimendocina  Thursday Sep 30 07:45 AM

So glad I bought tofu today.



casimendocina  Thursday Sep 30 07:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
Just like Mom used to process.
My mum didn't put ammonia through it, just her finger nails.


monster  Thursday Sep 30 07:56 AM

That's more mechanically joined than mechanically separated, though......





casimendocina  Thursday Sep 30 08:00 AM

I'm starting to conjour up images of Sweeney Todd. Uuuuggghhh.



monster  Thursday Sep 30 08:19 AM

My parents swore there was a euphemism/codename for the human flesh in the pies, but I can't remember it -I'm thinking "Albanian Lamb"? But when i google Sweeney Todd, I can't find anything and googling albanian lamb leads to recipes. Anyway, whenever we asked what sort of meat was in something, that's what they'd say. Perhaps it really was Albanian lamb?



stevecrm  Thursday Sep 30 08:21 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
What's it taste like?
The cafeteria ladies, and greasy spoon chefs, reply, "Anything you want, kid, name it".
Strawberry ice cream flavour meat please


glatt  Thursday Sep 30 08:26 AM

Q: What cuts of the animal are in that meat?
A: Whatever could squeeze through the little holes of the sieve.



casimendocina  Thursday Sep 30 08:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
My parents swore there was a euphemism/codename for the human flesh in the pies, but I can't remember it -I'm thinking "Albanian Lamb"? But when i google Sweeney Todd, I can't find anything and googling albanian lamb leads to recipes. Anyway, whenever we asked what sort of meat was in something, that's what they'd say. Perhaps it really was Albanian lamb?
Give me 24 hours. I should have an answer.


Spexxvet  Thursday Sep 30 08:53 AM

Ugh! Nuggets has eyes...



monster  Thursday Sep 30 08:59 AM

Great -a new business op for you! Nuggets can have spex!



newtimer  Thursday Sep 30 09:47 AM

Still not as gross as hot dogs.



monster  Thursday Sep 30 10:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by newtimer View Post
Still not as gross as hot dogs.
that's what goes in hotdogs


Shawnee123  Thursday Sep 30 11:04 AM

SOYLENT PINK IS...CHICKENS!



Spexxvet  Thursday Sep 30 11:14 AM

LOL



Sheldonrs  Thursday Sep 30 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
SOYLENT PINK IS...CHICKENS!



monster  Thursday Sep 30 11:44 AM

I wondered how long it would be before Sheldon was grinning about mystery meat....



Sheldonrs  Thursday Sep 30 12:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
I wondered how long it would be before Sheldon was grinning about mystery meat....
No, that would be SALIENT Pink.


spudcon  Thursday Sep 30 12:09 PM

You lie! That's a picture of whale penis!



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Sep 30 12:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevecrm View Post
Strawberry ice cream flavour meat please
Hey Mabel, one with...
ethyl acetate
ethyl amyl ketone
ethyl butyrate
ethyl cinnamate
ethyl heptanoate
ethyl heptylate
ethyl lactate
ethyl methylphenylglycidate
ethyl nitrate
ethyl propionate
ethyl valerate
heliotropin
hydroxyphenyl-2-butanone (10 percent solution in alcohol)
a-ionone
isobutyl anthranilate
isobutyl butyrate
lemon essential oil
maltol
4-methylacetophenone
methyl anthranilate
methyl benzoate
methyl cinnamate
methyl heptine carbonate
methyl naphthyl ketone
methyl salicylate
mint essential oil
neroli essential oil
nerolin
neryl isobutyrate
orris butter
phenethyl alcohol
rose
rum ether
g-undecalactone
vanillin and solvent


Hold the... 2,4-decadienal and 2-methyl-3-furanthiol.
Watcha drinkin', kid?


Diaphone Jim  Thursday Sep 30 01:05 PM

One name for human flesh is long pig. I guess this is long chicken.
What a great way to suppress recipe posts.



Shawnee123  Thursday Sep 30 01:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
Great -a new business op for you! Nuggets can have sex!
FTFY




Flint  Thursday Sep 30 01:21 PM

They're just dumping this sh!t into a cardboard box! lol

Nobody would dump "food" into a plain cardboard box.



Shawnee123  Thursday Sep 30 01:49 PM

I think I'd rather eat the cardboard box, plain.



Adam  Thursday Sep 30 02:54 PM

Hmmmmmmm.....

I don't know nothin' about nothin' but this seems fishy.
A quick inspection of the re-bloggers turned up this (from Nik Matt at The Earth Giant (DISCLAIMER: I have no idea if HIS facts are straight but it it seems more plausible to me)
Nik says:
"There is a lot of misinformation in this bullshit. The picture isn’t even mechanically separated chicken, it’s slurry, which exists because Americans think dark meat is nasty (yet love this shit). Basically they emulsify dark meat and separate it from the excess fat and water then flash-freeze the slurry to be transported to plants all over the country that will shape it into lovely patties and nuggets. At no point in time is this treated with ammonia (that happened to hamburger meat in response to e-coli outbreaks and doesn’t happen anymore) and no processing plant would ever put an entire fucking chicken into a sieve to be separated. There are no non-muscular parts, except for maybe a very small amount of tough tissue, in any mechanically separated meat or slurry."

I Googled "Chicken Slurry" and it doesn't look anything like the bubblegum in this picture. Wikipedia wasn't a whole lot more helpful.

I'd really really like to know the source of this picture. Fooducate.com says this about the picture:

"Folks, this is mechanically separated chicken, an invention of the late 20th century. Someone figured out in the 1960’s that meat processors can eek out a few more percent of profit from chickens, turkeys, pigs, and cows by scraping the bones 100% clean of meat. This is done by machines, not humans, by passing bones leftover after the initial cutting through a high pressure sieve. The paste you see in the picture above is the result.

This paste goes on to become the main ingredient in many a hot dog, bologna, chicken nuggets, pepperoni, salami, jerky etc…"

And a contributer on Snopes says:
"The article isn't wholly accurate, because MRM (Mechanically Reclaimed Meat) comes from what is left on the carcass after other processing. It's not a case of mincing the whole carcass (only a certain proportion of bones are allowed - depends on your local food laws). What tends to squick people is the idea of non-muscle meat, skin and cartilage in the mix. The description sounds more like steam reclaimed meat from a rendering plant - the whole carcass goes into the process, is pressure cooked and the resulting "highly pigmented slurry" is dried to varying degrees depending on whether you want to make it into slices for sandwiches, into pet food or dried completely for fertiliser.

References:
Fast Food Nation: What the All-American Meal Is Doing to the World by Eric Schlosser
The Food Scandal: What's Wrong with the British Diet and How to Set It Right by Caroline Walker and Geoffrey Cannon
Meat Machine by Jan W"

I think if that picture is really MRM, it is POST-pigmenting. It is made from cleaned carcasses.
Facts may be gross, but I like to get 'em straight.
Or, straighter.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Sep 30 03:43 PM

Thanks for the research, Adam.

Lord knows what that stuff is, but still, much of the time we don't know what we're really eating, (refer to post #25). It would probably be healthier to catch and eat fresh rats or insects.



Gravdigr  Thursday Sep 30 03:46 PM

I never thought I could be turned off by pink meat.



HungLikeJesus  Thursday Sep 30 03:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by casimendocina View Post
So glad I bought tofu today.
The stuff in that picture is tofu.


Undertoad  Thursday Sep 30 04:17 PM

I told y'all it was mechanically separated chicken!



wolf  Thursday Sep 30 05:41 PM

If there is anything that I have learned from Classic Science Fiction Films of the 1950s and 1960s, it is that there are some things man was not meant to know.

This would be one of those things.



Wombat  Thursday Sep 30 07:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Albert Einstein
Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.



spudcon  Thursday Sep 30 11:18 PM

Einstein's dead, I'm not.



Gravdigr  Saturday Oct 2 06:51 PM

Word.



spudcon  Saturday Oct 2 07:35 PM

Mystery meat at a WalMart in China



Sundae  Monday Oct 4 01:48 PM

Yay, Adam!
I was about to go and do the same research, you saved me the trip.
I was certainly going to opine that it would not make good financial sense to pulp a whole chicken like that, when the breast - to name but one part - can be sold at a much higher value on its own.

Jamie Oliver has done a lot of work here, trying to educate people into understanding what they are eating. Personally I've known since 1985, when we had a class in Food & Nutrition in what goes into various pies, pastes and sausages. It didn't put me off, but at least it meant I had a well-informed choice. My vegetarian friends used to try to "convert" me by telling me what was in my food - nothing like a 16 year old to labour a point. They soon learned that I was at least as clued up as they were and could definitely out-gross them.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Oct 4 04:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl View Post
I was certainly going to opine that it would not make good financial sense to pulp a whole chicken like that, when the breast - to name but one part - can be sold at a much higher value on its own.
For even shopper buying chicken parts to cook at home, there's a hundred people buying chicken based stuff (for lack of a better word), usually breaded and deep fried which disguises it somewhat. It's an immense gazillion dollar market, but often cutthroat competition. If they can save a penny on the preparation/distribution of every chicken based blob they sell, they save millions of dollars, and could make or break a company. One of the biggest problems/expenses of chicken processing is the disposal of waste, so the larger percentage of the chicken that can be palmed off as edible, the higher the profit. As disgusting as the thought of eating some of the bits may be, it won't hurt you and it has nutritional value.


xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Oct 6 11:39 AM




casimendocina  Wednesday Oct 6 07:35 PM

Thanks Bruce. That was cool

Now (with a good blender) we can make our own meat patties at home from scratch.



Happy Monkey  Wednesday Oct 6 08:03 PM

It was an odd "experiment". He kept talking up the grossness, but the only problem with the meat he used was that it is hard to get off the bone using just a knife. It was all from one chicken, the guts and head were removed, and the additives weren't particularly alarming. I certainly wouldn't have any problem eating one of those nuggets. It seems he was relying solely on the idea that meat ground finer than one usually sees (ie hamburger) looks wierd. Plus repeatedly saying how gross it was.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Oct 6 09:48 PM

You have to remember he's a chef. They feel white wine with red meat is gross.



Clodfobble  Wednesday Oct 6 11:49 PM

I'm pretty sure the kids thought the meat was plenty gross. It's just that American children are attention whores who will deliberately eat gross things for fun.



HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Oct 6 11:52 PM

But the French eat frog legs and snails.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Oct 6 11:53 PM

Without breading, too.



classicman  Thursday Oct 7 11:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus View Post
frog legs and snails.
Mmmm... fried and steamed with garlic/butter/white wine respectively...



Beest  Thursday Oct 7 03:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
My parents swore there was a euphemism/codename for the human flesh in the pies, but I can't remember it -I'm thinking "Albanian Lamb"? But when i google Sweeney Todd, I can't find anything and googling albanian lamb leads to recipes. Anyway, whenever we asked what sort of meat was in something, that's what they'd say. Perhaps it really was Albanian lamb?
I remembered mutton and found several references to it being a Mutton Pie Shop.


casimendocina  Thursday Oct 7 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beest View Post
I remembered mutton and found several references to it being a Mutton Pie Shop.
I reckon you're right.

So what did you think of the movie compared to stage productions of Sweeney Todd?


casimendocina  Thursday Oct 7 07:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Mystery meat at a WalMart in China
I wrote this up last week, then my computer had a spac mid-post and I don't think it made it on to the board (if it did, I'm hoping that smiling nicely at Bruce will do the trick). Seeing as the lives of dwellars will be much the poorer for not having read it, here it is.

This made me think of one trip to Carrefour I made while living in China. (The employees got round on roller blades as the store was so big). At the back in the fish section, there was a paddling pool full of turtles. The poor things obviously knew their number was going to be up very soon as they were scrabbling desperately to get out of the pool. It bordered on heart-breaking.


classicman  Friday Oct 8 11:59 AM




Shawnee123  Friday Oct 8 12:45 PM

Every time I see this thread title, the commercial jingle for the game Mystery Date gets in my head, but of course it's changed to:

Open the door
For your
Mystery Meat.




casimendocina  Saturday Oct 9 03:08 AM

Does this game still exist in the states or is it in the same category as the Edsall?



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Oct 9 09:10 AM

Edsall?

Oh wait, you mean Edsel... yes, tucked away in attics, and at yard sales.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Oct 9 12:13 PM

Chicken Deboner




casimendocina  Saturday Oct 9 05:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Edsall?

Oh wait, you mean Edsel... yes, tucked away in attics, and at yard sales.
Thank god it's not still on the market.


spudcon  Saturday Oct 9 06:33 PM

That deboner is enough to give any guy a deboner. Besides the one part looking like a pile of poop, the part with the bristles and claws could probably only satisfy a chupacabra.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Oct 9 08:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by casimendocina View Post
Thank god it's not still on the market.
It wasn't that bad. The styling was adventurous, but that's a personal thing. It was ahead of the pack as far as gadgets/novel features, and way too expensive in a down market, but mechanically sound.

Yes, Spud, yucky. I was wondering why the guy was being so particular about which pieces he fed it?


spudcon  Saturday Oct 9 09:46 PM

Are there some pieces of meat that are too disgusting even to feed to vultures? Yucky is the correct adjective.



casimendocina  Saturday Oct 9 10:04 PM

1/2 LOL Actually, I was talking about Mystery Date (but probably another case of me shifting the focus and it being clear to me, but not anyone else, because I didn't tell them or didn't realise myself until afterwards).



casimendocina  Saturday Oct 9 10:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
It wasn't that bad. The styling was adventurous, but that's a personal thing. It was ahead of the pack as far as gadgets/novel features, and way too expensive in a down market, but mechanically sound.
1/2 LOL Actually, I was talking about Mystery Date (but probably another case of me shifting the focus and it being clear to me, but not anyone else, because I didn't tell them or didn't realise myself until afterwards).


ZenGum  Monday Oct 11 05:18 AM

[Tailpost] ...

even Bear Grylls wouldn't eat that.

Bleuch.



Shawnee123  Monday Oct 11 08:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Are there some pieces of meat that are too disgusting even to feed to vultures? Yucky is the correct adjective.
I was driving some country roads yesterday, lid down, enjoying the weather. I saw a giant bird on the road and at a distance even I knew it was way too bid to be a crow. When I got closer, I saw it was a turkey vulture and that thing flew away with a garter snake hanging out of its mouth. The wing span is amazing on those things. Once one flew right in front of my car so I was close enough to see its ugly head.


HungLikeJesus  Monday Oct 11 08:28 AM

Isn't that our national bird?



Shawnee123  Monday Oct 11 08:32 AM

No, I think that's an Eagle.

There was one soaring over my brother's house (in the country) and it got down real close. Then it hit another current of air and went really high. Didn't flap once that I saw.

My brother said it was probably a dead snake that I saw (he knows a little about ornithology) 'cause they eat dead stuff mostly, but I thought the ones at my other brother's house was after the baby kittehs. Nah...he soared way up high.



SPUCK  Tuesday Oct 12 07:29 AM

Nice shot of the ol buzzard.



spudcon  Tuesday Oct 12 08:25 AM

Great shot Shawnee. I've come upon those birds several times, but as soon as I reach for my camera, they get far away.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Oct 12 08:50 AM

Turkey vultures.



monster  Tuesday Oct 12 10:01 AM

Turkey Vultures pee on their feet to keep them warm in winter, cool in summer and to kill bacteria.



glatt  Tuesday Oct 12 11:42 AM

I should try that.



Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 12 11:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Great shot Shawnee. I've come upon those birds several times, but as soon as I reach for my camera, they get far away.
Sorry to mislead, it's not my picture (as bruce so slyly pointed out...I'm no liar, I just wasn't online to see that it had been attributed to me.)


HungLikeJesus  Tuesday Oct 12 12:04 PM

Congratulations on getting your shot published on that site Shawnee.



Undertoad  Tuesday Oct 12 12:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
I should try that.
Getting them to stand still for it might be a problem.


spudcon  Tuesday Oct 12 04:25 PM

I thought Glatt had the funniest comment here until UT made me laugh just as hard.



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