Undertoad Wednesday Nov 13 11:07 AM
11/13/2002: Transgender kickboxer
MaggieL Wednesday Nov 13 02:02 PM
Re: 11/13/2002: Transgender kickboxer
There are *scads* of male-to-female transsexuals who have military backgrounds, for example. (I myself have been on active duty with the U.S. Navy in aviation antisubmarine warfare, and earlier was briefly in a US Army ROTC Ranger unit duing my don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it college career).
Many martial arts are very gender-neutral; aikido comes to mind. But a percussive art like kick-boxing is rather a different thing.
Be that as it may, asian culture is loaded with transgender themes connected with martial arts, all the way from Brigitte Lin Ching-Hsia's role as "Asia the Invincible" in the Hong Kong film "Swordsman" trilogy to the more modern Ranma Nibo-no-ichi of anime fame.
henry fitch Wednesday Nov 13 04:12 PM
It seems like a lot of kickboxing classes in America, or at least classes that are called kickboxing, are geared entirely towards women. Seems like largely a rape-defense thing, plus women have just as much need to stay in shape and get out agression as men do.
ElPresidente1972 Wednesday Nov 13 09:46 PM
It's wrong to characterise aggression as "a male thing". Women are just as aggressive as men. If you think ass-kicking is a guy thing, just ask any Argentine for an opinion about Margaret Thatcher.
philgump Wednesday Nov 13 10:24 PM
Undertoad Wednesday Nov 13 10:33 PM
Shits and giggles - no, I really do look for stuff that intrigues, and I was really curious about it and mags' answer is instructional. I've been friends with several TS folks as a result of the Cellar - the TS folks have always been interested in virtual communities, for whatever reason.
philgump Wednesday Nov 13 10:42 PM
When I said shits and giggles, I didn't mean to imply you were making fun of them, I meant was the post made just to see what kind of responses would come out of it, as you have seen the last post 'Gay Games' tends to have brought out a great number of opinions.
MaggieL Wednesday Nov 13 10:52 PM
That said, there's still some kind of odd unifying thread running though the fields of computing and cryptology having to do with gender roles. It's not at all clear to me that Alan Turing, for example, was actually a homosexual male in the traditional sense as is commonly believed. Even his seminal (pardon the expression) paper <i>Can Machines Think?</i> which first described what later came to be known as "the Turning Test" was originally introduced in the paper as a test of gender identity rather than one of the ability to think.
And yet when Turing was <b>sentenced</b> by the UK government to contragender hormone "therapy" as a punishment for his homosexual behavior; he sank into a deep depression and apparently comitted suicide. I doubt we'll ever know his full story, but it certainly makes me wonder...I'm tantalized by the possibility that he was actually transgendered rather than classically homosexual--a distinction that few people would have been able to draw even at the time of his death.
Undertoad Thursday Nov 14 01:27 PM
Phil, the general idea behind IotD is supposed to be that the images are "mind-boggling" in some way, but it's really hard to find something absolutely mind-boggling every single day. I do enjoy it when people find an image something they want to talk about, but I'm generally not looking for things specifically to generate discussion.
philgump Thursday Nov 14 06:47 PM
Do you take submissions
I run accross the most mind boggling things durning the day. If I find them where should I send them.
tw Thursday Nov 14 10:33 PM
Re: 11/13/2002: Transgender kickboxer
We tend to associate testosterone with aggression. But even women have testosterone. That association also fails to note other contributory factors to aggression.
Maybe I do not not fully understanding the question or why it would be interesting. Maybe because I regard such unique characteristics more normal for the cross section of humanity. People are not monolithic - and should not be expected so.
For example, a college friend talked about quitting the field hockey team and losing a scholarship - because she could not stand bed swapping in a mostly lesbian sport. Is that (assuming the details are correct which I also have doubts about) something unique to humanity? Not to me. And not something that I would even try to classify in terms of hormones or childhood upbringing. It is just another typical characteristic of mankind.
Undertoad Friday Nov 15 12:21 AM
Phil or anyone who wants to submit an image, hit me in email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Attachments are fine. All I ask is that anyone submitting should not be mad at me or the Cellar if I don't use what you send. Also, I try to mention who's submitted something but sometimes I screw up. If I don't use it, put it in Quality Images and put all of the blame on me.
43% Burnt Friday Nov 15 07:17 AM
There is a clear link between testosterone and agression.
Cam Friday Nov 15 10:43 AM