Undertoad Thursday Dec 26 01:26 PM
12/26/2002: Korean peninsula
jaguar Thursday Dec 26 03:51 PM
sca1111 Friday Dec 27 08:50 AM
What's the large heat signature over the Korea Strait at the bottom right of the picture?
Leus Friday Dec 27 09:24 AM
Socialism doesn't imply stalinism nor marxism. Here in Chile we have a Socialist president, yet he managed to sign a free trade agreement with USA and EU (that's pretty capitalistic, if you ask me )
Griff Friday Dec 27 09:54 AM
Leus Friday Dec 27 11:42 AM
Griff Friday Dec 27 01:19 PM
tw Sunday Dec 29 03:06 AM
Re: 12/26/2002: Korean peninsula
Then a mental midget president for reasons not based upon logic instead declares N Korea as an 'axis of evil'. Hard enough for Kim Jung Il to keep his extremists in line. Now Washington is threatening. And so N Korea moved into projects that they can use their educated talent in - processing uranium (which was not in violation of any agreement between N Korea and the UN) and making a small missile for export. The missile is a good exportable product even in demand by American allies such as Yemen.
This same administration that previously advocated military attacks on China now cuts off all oil to Korea. What are they suppose to do. Give up and cry? The smart politician uses the unprocessed plutonium rods as bargining chips AND fires up a nuclear reactor to create electricity. Nothing extraordinary here. Any country in N Korea's position would do same - especially when confronted by a country that now advocates war as the solution to any problem.
This whole Korean mess is directly traceable to the mental midget administration of George Jr. Same president that has destroyed relations with virutally every nation in the world. Had George Jr not done the stupid 'axis of evil' nonsense, then it is not likely we would be here.
A country more familiar with the situation - S Korea - let it be known who they regard as creating this mess. An incumbant president sitting on a strong economy, but who sided with George Jr, was kicked out of office by a South Korean population that wants to distance themselves from America. A Clinton America was responsible - therefore N Korea was slowly joining the world. A George Jr America is the threat to peace in that region. South Koreans blame the US for a complete failure of peace talks with the North - as made obvious by their elections. (Germans said same only a few months ago). And since Koreans get the whole story, then who would know better.
South Koreans are correct. But Americans know so little about N Korea's position or even promised made to N Korea. One senior administration offical openly lied - yes boldface, up you ass lied - and said the Korean electric system could not support the power provided by that nuclear reactor. Many Americans are so technically ignorant of numbers to even agree with that liar. Any electric system can support 5 megawatts. N Korea is so short of energy supplies that 5 Megawatts is absolutely essential to life support. So why does that administration official lie. Because he knows he can to an Amerian public that does not know what is happening in Korea.
quzah Sunday Dec 29 10:58 AM
I heard the other day that North Korea was moving a few machine guns around the DMZ, and moving troops into the general area. "Self", I said, "this is brilliant. While GW is fucking off in Iraq, and since he's already said he isn't going to war with N.K., what a simply divine oportunity to take back S.K."
elSicomoro Sunday Dec 29 11:03 AM
The two word solution to North Korea: Jimmy Carter
Hubris Boy Sunday Dec 29 11:42 AM
Yep. Motivation. That's what I'm all about.
Undertoad Sunday Dec 29 12:10 PM
Tell us, tw, why would N. Korea have to kick out the IAEA inspectors and disable their surveillance cameras if their intentions were to generate peaceful electricity to support that power grid?
tw Monday Dec 30 03:45 PM
How to keep ratcheting up the heat on an extemist, militant, American position? First remove cameras. No response. Next restart the reactor. No response. Next step was threatened long ago: ask those inspectors to leave - but not until tommorrow. It is these little details that our right wing extremist leaders forgets to mention. The Korean message is quite clear. They want to be treated fairly - or will become a threat. They wanted inspectors to stay around to report what they are doing. With no cooperative US response, then even those UN inspectors will have to leave - to ratchet up tensions.
George Jr's people instead have twisted facts by forgetting key details. George Jr's people want you to fear - which is how they promote themselves.
1) They tell us - a direct lie - that the Korean electric grid could not absorb 5 megawatts. They lie so that American will call N Koreans devils rather than see the crisis as it really is. Promote fear.
2) They tell us that Koreans possess plutonium to make bombs - forgetting to mention rods are instead being put back into the reactor to make electricity. Why mention that fact when the US administration's position is to first advocate fear and threaten war.
3) They say the reactor is being started to make plutonium - forgetting to mention that plutonium for as many as four or five bombs already exists in those rods.
4) They forget to mention how we kept renigning on promises - especially to deliver oil - which only empowers militant extremists in N Korea at the expense of moderates.
5) Only the US is making overt demands on N Korea. China, Japan, and S Korea are concerned. Both Japan and S Korea continued to deliver promised oil until an extremist US government this weekend demanded all oil stop. Moreso, China, S Korea, et al are concerned about how George Jr aggrevated this entire crisis especially with his 'axis of evil' nonsense. Even Japan has distanced itself from the US position. George Jr had declared N Korea as an 'axis of evil' without any knowledge of events that would justify that opinion. This crisis caught the adminstration by total surprise because 'axis of evil' was declared without any supporting facts.
Now this administration is in a bind. Having been so militant and extremist, this adminstration has little manuvering room beyond military confrontation. Solution by negotiation would be considered backing down - because George Jr's people were saber rattling just like over a silly spy plane. George Jr's administration made this crisis inevitable with his silly 'axis of evil' position - which was made without any supporting facts.
What has concerned S Korea, Japan, China and Russia more? That the US is driving militant N Korean extremists into positions of power because US rhetoric is 'enemies in every closet'. Fear is the greatest threat to world peace. Fear is what this extremist president advocates repeatedly.
China, et al are not openly demanding N Korea stop the shit. They only remind N Korea that its current actions will create unstable and dangerous situations. If reading right wing adminstration press releases, then yes, you see China, Japan, et al making demands on N Korea - demands that really do not exist in that extreme. From China, et al is a sigh of exasperation - that this crisis was made inevitable by extremist right wing American rhetoric.
Of course the George Jr administration does not see it that way. They are right wing extremists who fear and see threats everywhere - ie an anti-ballistic missile system that does not even work. As a result, American extremists see N Korea as the antagonist. After all, the mighty US could not have created this crisis. We are the good guys according to right wing rhetoric.
Those who see things in black and white see a monolithic N Korea intent on all evil. Therefore lies are acceptable, such as Korea could not absorb electricity from that reactor. George Jr also sees Iran in the same way. In the meantime, domestic forces in both countries struggle to determine whose agenda will win power. An extremist US government has no idea that they play right into the hands of militant extremists in both countries. American right wing extremist attitudes not only tried to get the US into a shooting war with China. It also empowers militant N Korean extremists into positions of power. As a result, even moderate N Koreans must now endorse the restarting of a nuclear reactor.
If looking from a perspective other than the extremist US administration, then one sees that N Koreans had no other solution to their failing economic condition - other than civil war.
In the meantime, the naive actually buy into a mental midget president's nonsense that the reactor is restarted to make plutonium. Bull. Ignored facts make that an obvious lie. Facts that a US president forgets to mention; to promote fear. If N Koreans were making plutionium, then they would not bother putting those rods into a reactor. They would have started, 'immediately', a six+ month process of extracting plutonium from those rods. Just a little detail that this right wing administration forgets to mention.
There is no statement that calls Kim Jung Il a personal hero. It is stated either out of background ignorance, or as an insult. What is Kim Jung Il 's personal opinion? That is not clear. What is clear is that George Jr has forced Kim Jung Il with no other choice but to side with N Korea's militant extremists. Of course. George Jr would never understand that. He displays ignorance of the world as Johnson did with N Viet Nam. George Jr's solution, like Johnson, is to solve all problems by outright force and military threats. Both men cannot see a bigger picture and could not negotiate a solution.
There was once a man named Kennedy who kept asking , "But what is he thinking", and "What are his domestic political opponents forcing him to do". Therefore we avoided sending the 1st Marine division into certain death - a nuclear holocaust on Cuban beaches. This reasoning is too complex for a man like George Jr - which is why George Jr's administration solution to everything is rattle sabers and threaten war. That constant saber rattling is what most worries Russia, Japan, S Korea, and China. The South Korean people told us that - bluntly - in their recent political elections. Japan has long since been saying same by silence - distancing themselves from American positions. But too many Americans only see the world per Rumsfled, Wolfovich, and other right wing extremists.
This crisis was made inevitable by the militant international politics of George Jr. That extremist militancy is what most worries Japan, S Korea, China, and Russia. An intelligent president such as Clinton would have seen the opening to solve this problem by political negotiation. Clinton did just that previously, which is why we were not talking about war in 1994. But fear, threats, and military force is only what this George Jr administration understands. When has George Jr used negotiation to solve problems? This is a serious question. EVery solution involves fear and military threats. Hell. He would have even gone to war over a silly spy plane! Right wing extremists could not see a negotiated solution if you put it where this president once put his cocaine.
Undertoad Monday Dec 30 03:46 PM
Thank you for not answering my question whatsoever.
jaguar Monday Dec 30 04:38 PM
where exactly did you get infomation solidly stating N korea has two working nucler weapons?
Undertoad Monday Dec 30 04:42 PM
I heard Colin Powell say it on national TV.
elSicomoro Monday Dec 30 04:55 PM
I'll confirm that...he said it on Meet the Press yesterday.
juju Monday Dec 30 05:08 PM
What are you, his right-hand man or something? C'mon, man, we all know that he could say that the sky was falling and you would confirm it.
tw Monday Dec 30 05:38 PM
Those inspectors were not thrown out yet - not until they can report to the world that nuclear rods are in the reactor for electricity rather than in reprocessing for bomb material. Throwing them out is just another way to force a negotiated settlement - to answer the same question for a fifth time.
Not only was your question answered more than five times, but administration lies to advocate fear and military action were exposed. Even N Korea's neighbors have more feared US war rhetoric than N Korea. Not one neighbor views N Korea as an 'axis of evil'. Americans who rely on right wing administration press releases would not know that China, S Korea, Japan, and Russia are exasperated by American's constant threats of war.
Your question was repeatedly answered with background that the current administration would have us all not know.
Some readers, at this point, are so misinformed as to even 'know' that N Korea has two nuclear weapons. More rhetoric from an administration that promotes fear and military solutions to all problems. Those who promote peaceful settlements in the American tradition first ask, "Show Me." That evidence does not exist except in an administration that advocates military solutions to all problems. More on this below.
Kindly state where your question was not answered. All I can do is keep knocking down outright lies and myths. If the intended effort was:
Stated were outright lies from the current militant, right wing, extremist administration. Those lies were exposed.
For those who need answers in the form of sound bytes: the expression "ratchet up the tension" and "force a negotiated settlement" explicitly answers Undertoad's question. His question was answered many more times.
IN the meantime from today's NY Times, what do people on the front line say:
Does N Korea have two nuclear devices? Powell's answer has been distorted here. Powell says it is the administration's opinion that North Korea already has two nuclear weapons. Right wing extremist opinion is that two devices exist - how to promote fear and to advocate a military solution. If Powell stated as Undertoad posted, then the claim would be front page news. It is not because Powell did not say as Undertoad claims. In fact, Powell instead says more in line with what I have posted. Powell advocates talks rather than fear and military confrontation.
I lived through VietNam. I watched people be openly decieved by an administration whose only solution was to promote more war. It is happening again. Most readers here have no experience with such administrations (ie Nixon) where lying is normal and acceptable. Careful what is source for facts when those facts come from an administration that is more insterested in its own political agenda - including promote fear - rather than realities of the world. Powell was careful what he said. It is not his opinion. It is only an opinion in the administration. Powell's statement were misrepresented in The Cellar.
elSicomoro Monday Dec 30 05:54 PM
Excerpts from yesterday's Meet the Press, featuring Colin Powell:
Undertoad Monday Dec 30 06:01 PM
Actually I heard it on, um, the network that I never watch:
elSicomoro Monday Dec 30 06:46 PM
I happened to see Meet the Press yesterday when Powell mentioned the nukes thing. I thought Shepps might have seen the same thing, hence why I confirmed his statement. That was me jumping the gun...my apologies. Although, I did note Powell's comments yesterday. Of course, tw is probably going to try and tell me that I heard no such thing...or he'll try to say that what Powell actually meant was such-and-such. Because after all, tw is the only responsible news peruser in the Cellar. You niggas better recognize that real quick. We all pale in comparison to his awesome insight. What the fuck do I know? I only listen to NPR and CBC Radio One (among other things during the day)...talk radio is unintelligent. Blah blah blah blah...
Rush Limballs Monday Dec 30 07:30 PM
If you would listen to me, you wouldn't have to listen to NPR or CBC.
elSicomoro Monday Dec 30 08:34 PM
Rush Limballs Monday Dec 30 08:50 PM
I'd rather you laughed than have a gun in your mouth. Laughter is much healthier.
tw Monday Dec 30 09:03 PM
The transcript is posted:
These George Jr realities apparently make sycamore bristle. That's what happens when you fall in love with the wrong man. There is nothing attractive about one who constantly promotes fear and military confrontation - except maybe if you are Gen Curtis LeMay. So instead, demonstrate that love by attacking the messenger - me. Then maybe George Jr will look prettier?
George Jr is not happy with just one ongoing war. Now he wants three? Will sycamore again automatically concur?
elSicomoro Monday Dec 30 09:16 PM
I've seen some crazy posts from you, tw, but that one takes the cake.
Saddam Hussein Monday Dec 30 09:23 PM
Praise Allah. People actually believe as you do Tw.
God Monday Dec 30 09:35 PM
You should know that George is praying at this moment for your head to be in a jar of formaldehyde sitting on his desk.
I am very tempted to answer his prayer.
Have a nice day.
Griff Monday Dec 30 09:39 PM
slang Monday Dec 30 10:01 PM
Undertoad Monday Dec 30 11:11 PM
I see: we're into Clinton-esque "what is the meaning of the word 'belief'" semantics now.
elSicomoro Monday Dec 30 11:29 PM
You should receive an answer soon...it will ramble on for 8 or 9 paragraphs, and not directly answer your question at all. By the time you're finished reading the reply, you'll forget what you asked in the first place.
Griff Tuesday Dec 31 09:12 AM
elSicomoro Tuesday Dec 31 02:23 PM
I know what you mean G, at least on the mediation part. But there are just times where someone that is just asking for it, like tw, comes along...and I can't resist.
tw Tuesday Dec 31 06:08 PM
US destroyers were running DeSoto patrols to sabatoge N VietNam. US destroyers were operating inside their territorial waters when N VietNam patrol boats attacked. US was running covert military actions against the N Vietnamese - a country we were not even at war with. Whole different conclusion once facts (details) are provided.
Same applies to how Undertoad characterized current Korean problems. If N Korea was building plutonium bombs, then they would kick out UN inspectors immediately. Not even bother with cameras that are useless without those inspectors. Secretly remove those fuel rods to remote locations where secret gas centrifuges could extract plutonium. Never say anything about what they are doing.
But instead they asked UN inspectors to leave weeks later in a hope that it would correct a serious international problem. They first announced in advance, then intentionally disabled cameras to make a point. Then days later removed seals on fuel rods - making another public announcement. With UN inspectors encouraged to watch, they installed fuel rods into a reactor - after announcing, accurately, they needed the electricity. With each step, they first publically announced what they were doing. Each step was followed by delay so that international diplomats had an oppurtunity to resond. Why? What kind of covert action is that? Is that any way to build a nuclear bomb?
Of course a militant, right wing president distorts all this saying the reactor is restarted to make plutoniums. He counts on us being as misinformed as sycamore.
Why put fuel rods so that everyone knows where they are - fully exposed to military attack and difficult to recover? Why put rods where they cannot be used to create bomb material? Why announce each step, publically, in advance? Militant extremists would have you ignore those details. Undertoads summary also ignores basic facts. George Jr did something to start the above events. Of course. Just like in Gulf of Tonkin, too many never bothered to first learn these details.
N Korea is doing everything wrong if they are building a plutonium bomb. They are doing everything right if their intent is as the AP states:
If one is so certain N Korea is intentionally subverting the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and UN inspections in order to make war, then Undertoad or Sycamore can explain what George Jr did to trigger this whole fiasco. sycamore will avoid every oppurtunity to fill us with his knowledge. His shortage of knowledge is why he, instead, insults. However he has an oppurtunity to prove me wrong. What did George Jr do to trigger this event?
That will be difficult for those in love with George Jr to admit. Love makes one blind. Maybe. Let's see how much sycamore knows about recent events that lead up to this conflict. Let sycamore explain why S Koreans more fear George Jr than N Korea - being as they know what I suspect sycamore does not.
Undertoad Tuesday Dec 31 06:14 PM
8 paragraphs, Syc. Spot on! Well done!
elSicomoro Tuesday Dec 31 07:35 PM
*bows* Thank you UT, thank you. Hey, we should have a Cellar GTG, where all we do is watch Action News and read the Daily News. And then we will have Dubya worship...I already have a life-sized poster of him surrounded by burning candles in my living room.
Undertoad Tuesday Dec 31 09:07 PM
Ohhh! he edited it so now it's 10 paragraphs. Oh well, you still claim the prize because it's the first time I read it that counts.
elSicomoro Tuesday Dec 31 09:24 PM
He edited it out of spite.
Zorg Wednesday Jan 1 05:23 AM
I think tw has the wrong site. If I wanted to hear unsupported, vitriolic leftist polemics I could go read Indymedia or something.
Undertoad Wednesday Jan 1 10:31 AM
But the government has lied before, therefore the government is lying this time, and only I have the intelligence and presence of mind to detect this.
tw Wednesday Jan 1 11:06 AM
Posted was a specific question. The question was asked to learn if Undertoad or sycamore understood details before they marched off in admiration of George Jr. What recent event triggered these events. Insead of attacking the messenger, provide the world with knowledge that it seeks - if you can. What event triggered these events?
Al Gore smoking Wednesday Jan 1 11:48 AM
(Al Gore raises his hand high in the air to get TW's attention)
Undertoad Wednesday Jan 1 12:16 PM
I asked my questions first.
Zorg Wednesday Jan 1 03:27 PM
And as for NK not violating treaty obligations, the whole reason the Bush administration shut off fuel shipments to North Korea was because it was discovered they were pursuing an illegal nuclear weapons program.
tw Thursday Jan 2 01:30 AM
If N Korea wanted to make plutonium bombs, then they would have removed seals, kicked out inspectors, and said nothing - all at once on that same day. They did not do any of that. They announced the inspectors would have to leave and then waited. They announced they would remove seals from nuclear rods, and then waited. Eventually they did remove seals and waited to let inspectors see where those rods were going - into the reactor. For another day's international news, only then did they enforce the deadline for inspectors to leave. They even made a big deal about removing the irrrelevant monitoring cameras. But by announcing those camera's removal, it made another big story for international news services. Every step was correographed for maximum international attention. Bomb making or electric production apparently is not N Korea's primary intent. They want world attention on something that neither Undertoad nor Sycamore appear to understand.
The uranium reprocessing still remains a mystery. Did that uranium processing violate any international agreements? That remains disputed. They did not violate a 1994 agreement that only applied to the plutonium and associated reactor. Is the uranium being reprocessed as highly enriched bomb material or low grade just for energy generation? That is not even clear. Even George Jr's administration avoids that significant difference. The only part of international agreements clearly violated by that uranium processing facility is that they refuse to permit IAEA inspectors to inspect that facility.
Was the uranium program being run by the country's hard line military structure without direct knowledge of Kim Jung Il's people? If so, then does Kim Jung Il really run the country or have hard liners turned Kim into a puppet leader? That uranium reprocessing facility does remain a confused reality - and not a good indication the N Korea is being fully honest with its neighbors and treaty obligations. Still the uranium processing facility is a separate issue from the unsealing and installation of nuclear rods.
Do events surrounding the plutonium rods sound like a country that wants to violate the nuclear non-proliferation agreements - or a country desperately trying to make an international point? If Undertoad or sycamore would only answer a simple question, then their point would be obvious. Unfortunately, too many people listen blindly to preachings from George Jr's right wing extremists. Total nonsense such as N Korea cannot absorb 5 trivial megawatts of electricity. Since those extremists did not provide essential details, then sycamore and Undertoad cannot answer the simple question - what recent event triggered the plutonium rod dispute? Why does the George Jr administration avoid mentioning this part of the dispute?
What is the event that triggered this N Korean disupte? I made the answer easy. Why is N Korea doing everything with that plutonium to make international news? And why are they not doing anything to make a plutonium bomb and to protect those fuel rods from military attack? Undertoad and sycamore must avoid these question to justiify this administration's fear and military threats. What is the event that triggered this N Korean dispute - the question that Undertoad and sycamore apparently fear to answer?
quzah Thursday Jan 2 06:50 AM
quzah Thursday Jan 2 06:57 AM
This whole North Korea thing is, IMO, just to show us how two faced America is.
Undertoad Thursday Jan 2 10:39 AM
tw, unlike yourself, I answered your question directly with one sentence.
tw Thursday Jan 2 12:06 PM
Undertoad Thursday Jan 2 03:59 PM
January 2002: President George W. Bush says North Korea, Iran and Iraq form an "axis of evil" threatening the world with weapons of mass destruction. North Korea says the remarks amount to a declaration of war.
tw Thursday Jan 2 10:23 PM
Therefore in the middle of November, only the US demanded that all further oil shipments be suspended to N Korea AND that all diplomatic channels be completely severed. All discussions terminated - both actions taken against objections of Japan and S Korea. A country that wishes to avoid war does not terminate all discussion. But George Jr personally ordered it. I can just imagine Colin Powell bristling - knowing full well that such an order could only create problems. It did.
Therein lies the reason for a long, drawn out, well publicized termination of Clinton's 1994 negotiated settlement. Having bluntly terminated all negotiation, George Jr forced N Korean moderates into an alliance with N Korean hard liners. Having terminated all discussions with N Korea, then even the moderates in N Korea had no alternative but to agree with N Korean extremists - to access those nuclear rods and restart the electric power plant.
Day after his Sunday morning talk shows, Colin Powell made a key statement. He said the US would "talk but not negotiate". That statement was in direct contradiction to George Jr's original orders. Later that week, George Jr also said the US would talk with N Korea. Breakthrough? I hope so.
Maybe the disagreement has stopped spiraling out of control. Clearly damage has been done to 'engage' N Korea into a world community. Engagement is the policy adovcated by Japan and openly touted by S Korea's Sunshine program. A question remains. Can engagement be restarted so that N Korean extremists don't get a plutonium bomb?
N Korea is not a monolithic dictatorship much as Gorbechev's first years were not a monolithic USSR. The N Korea famine only made it obvious to some N Koreans that hard liners policy was no longer acceptable. Important that the US tread carefully here so as to empower N Korean moderates. However we have undermined those moderates to the advantage of extremists - because we rattled sabers rather than use the conference table. We only proved that N Korean extremist are right - that we intend to invade and conquer N Korea.
N Korean hard liners typically have almost no knowlege of the world. Most are convinced that the US intents to attack N Korea at the first sign of weakness. These extremist hold extensive power. Moderates can only gain power if engagement with the outside world is productive. Both Japan and S Korea did not - repeat - did not want to terminate oil shipments to N Korea. Both believe that engagement is the only way to keep N Korea from becoming a military threat.
N Korea is a very dangerous situation IF not handled with full knowledge of power competition inside the N Korean government. To avoid war, those N Korean moderates must be empowered - by always maintaining diplomatic communication. The current plutonium dispute demonstrates that terminating discussion can only result in things worse.
George Jr should have responded negatively to those revelations that N Korea had a uranium program. However NEVER terminate diplomatic discussion - except if you want war. George Jr did the worst thing possible. Fortunately N Korea has not yet attempted to build a plutonium bomb AND demonstrated their intent not to do so - but only for now.
Undertoad Friday Jan 3 01:03 AM
To quit negotiation is a fine tactic when you're in a position with time to spare, and where time will cause your opponent's position to deteriorate.
Zorg Friday Jan 3 02:54 AM
Well, tw is starting to make at least a small bit of sense. He's right in that at least a large part of North Korea's motivation in kicking out IAEA inspectors was to force concessions from the US and South Korea. Of course, the threat they used was the creation of more nuclear weapons, which they're more than likely to follow through on, since they've already taken the diplomatic heat for doing so. And why do you think this should be considered a mitigating factor? I'd say threatening the rest of the world every time you want to sit down at the negotiating table is not a good way to encourage goodwill towards yourself.
jaguar Friday Jan 3 03:03 AM
When it comes to diplomacy N Korea is the world's retarded child but this strategy still seems well...pointless to me.
tw Friday Jan 3 11:29 AM
The South Koreans did not regard the North actions as a demand for concessions. They regard the startup of a nuclear reactor as a direct response to militant, cowboy diplomacy that contributes to destruction of treaty after treaty - from the Oslo Accords to the Strategic Arms treaty on anti-ballistic missiles to the US - N Korea 1994 agreement. George Jr keeps destroying treaties - and advocating war as a solution. Therefore S Koreans don't fear the North. They fear the American government. Based upon George Jr's history as President, S Koreans do have much reason to fear. Just the fact that he canceled all contacts with N Korea demonstrates how little he understands world diplomacy. No wonder he has diminished US relationships with virtually every nation in the world. Every George Jr solution to a problem is a military one. That most scares S Korea - as polls and the recent S Korean presidental election demonstrate.
tw Friday Jan 3 09:00 PM
Notice what has happened with the Korean dispute. It was suppose to be about their secret uranium processing. But do to bad politics, the dispute shifted, instead, to nuclear rods that contain plutonium. What should have been addressed up front has instead become a secondary issue.
In the meantime, N Koreans 1) have successfully diverted attention to another issue - plutonium, AND 2) stated exactly why they starting a nuclear progam and 3) what it would take to terminate the program. N Korea's major fear is a US invasion. They want a non-agression treaty which should be no problem if the US does not intend to invade. If #3 is a bluff, well the US did not even call them on it. Instead of calling the bluff, the US terminated all negotiations. That only says to N Korean extremists that the US now intents to attack in the near future.
The US had no game plan behind James Kelly's challenge? As a result, the most imporant issue - uranium reprocessing - is no longer the primary issue. As a result, S Korea, who is not a target of N Korea's distrust, has offered to act as arbitrator between the two disputing parties - N Korea and US. S Korean president said both side must make concessions. Ironic that two nations most threatened by a nuclear N Korea are instead neutral parties in this dispute.
Rumors also suggest that neither Japan nor S Korea was even consulted before Kelly challenged the N Koreans. It all stinks of bad US diplomacy that even surrendered the diplomatic initative to the N Koreans. The US did not even have contingency plans for N Korean responese? Why not? This entire dispute has been badly mismanaged by the US as if the US had no idea what to do after Kelly challenged the N Koreans.
elSicomoro Sunday Jan 5 11:27 AM
classicman Wednesday Jun 24 02:31 PM
bumped for Queen
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