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   Undertoad  Sunday Nov 20 11:26 AM

Nov 20, 2011 [b]: Nudity comes to Arab Spring (NSFW)



"Put on trial the artists' models who posed nude for art schools until the early 70s, hide the art books and destroy the nude statues of antiquity, then undress and stand before a mirror and burn your bodies that you despise to forever rid yourselves of your sexual hangups before you direct your humiliation and chauvinism and dare to try to deny me my freedom of expression."

This is Egyptian Aliaa Magda El-Mahdy, and in posting herself naked on her blog, she is challenging freedom of expression in Egypt.

Quote:
El-Mahdy wrote on her blog that the photographs - which show her standing wearing only stockings - are "screams against a society of violence, racism, sexism, sexual harassment and hypocrisy." The blog has received 1.5 million hits since she posted the photos earlier this week.
As Egypt's various political sects rush to condemn her, she's probably in deep danger. And this can't help: dozens of Israeli women shared their solidarity by also going nekkid for the camera.



Quote:
"Girls, let's give the world a good reason to see the unique beauty of Israeli women," [organizer] Tepler wrote. "Regardless of whether they are Jewish, Arab, straight or Lesbian – because here, as of now, it doesn't matter. (…) Let us show the doubters that our international discourse doesn't depend on governments."

More than 100 women said they would attend. The participants were photographed holding a sign saying "Love without Limits," and "Homage to Aliaa El-Mahdi. Sisters in Israel."
Here may be the entire root of our cultural clash. The Arab world sees female nudity as deeply morally offensive. The western world is practically used to it. The rise of the equality of women in the western world has not led to more modesty. And so the Arab world decides that the western world is offering moral ruin. The sexuality in it means that a lot of this is coming from deep in our lizard brains.

I would strip in solidarity, but even the western world would demand my image be taken down as offensive.


BigV  Sunday Nov 20 11:36 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
snip--
Here may be the entire root of our cultural clash. The Arab world sees female nudity as deeply morally offensive. The western world is practically used to it. The rise of the equality of women in the western world has not led to less and less modesty. And so the Arab world decides that the western world is offering moral ruin. The sexuality in it means that a lot of this is coming from deep in our lizard brains.
--snip
UT, did you mean to remove the word "not" above? Otherwise, I don't think I understand.


Undertoad  Sunday Nov 20 11:37 AM

corrected, thank you



BigV  Sunday Nov 20 11:42 AM

My pleasure. These posts may be deleted as far as I'm concerned.



Undertoad  Sunday Nov 20 11:46 AM

Let them stay to indicate my incompetence.



BigV  Sunday Nov 20 12:10 PM

They stay or go at your pleasure, but they indicate no incompetence.



Trilby  Sunday Nov 20 01:14 PM

Nudity can lead to only one thing:


Rock 'n Roll!

Seriously, though, this is awesome.

Guys should let chickas be in charge for the next millenium.
We certainly couldn't do any worse than you all have.



Trilby  Sunday Nov 20 01:17 PM

...And what is it with nudity and women and sex and the lizard brain?

Why is it so fearsome?

Women naked=Sex=Bad&NaughtyBoy=Death?

Is it still that old rag?

Or what?



Sundae  Sunday Nov 20 01:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
Guys should let chickas be in charge for the next millenium.
We certainly couldn't do any worse than you all have.
I dunno.
There is less and less modesty now.


zippyt  Sunday Nov 20 02:29 PM

i say good for them ,
let your freak flag fly PROUDLY !!!



Undertoad  Sunday Nov 20 02:40 PM

Sex is really bad. It leads us to disease, death, unwanted pregnancy and all sorts of horrible outcomes. But in our lizard brains, it has kept our species going for 200,000 years... before civilization of any kind.

At some point we noticed that all this sex was really horrible, and that it was leading to pregnancy (we had to figure that out).

So when we applied civilization to it, we made up all sorts of nonsense rules; such as if a man finds a woman attractive he cannot just pull out his weenie. (He must instead text a picture of his weenie to her.)

Along the way it was attached to religion, because religion was how we passed along information, and how we socialized the youths not to be pulling out their weenies all the time.



Sundae  Sunday Nov 20 02:47 PM

Irreligious societies managed to create laws and customs that punished rape, without religion.
It was called, in precise anthropological terms the "I'll Set My Dad On You" response.



footfootfoot  Sunday Nov 20 03:36 PM

I like how in the other photo they are standing in front of a poster that says "Show You Are Not Afraid" Yet they are all hiding behind a big banner and covering their boobs.

Like we've never seen tits before. Show us; we're not afraid.



Aliantha  Sunday Nov 20 06:52 PM

There is a lot less modesty, even in just the last couple of generations.

The girls that go to school with my older boys wear things I never would have even dreamed of wearing, even when I had the body to pull it off. I have to bite my tongue every time it happens and remind myself that my parents felt the same way about some of the clothes I used to go out in when I was a teenager and in my early 20s.

I don't know where it'll all end, but maybe we'll all just stop wearing clothes. *shrugs*



footfootfoot  Sunday Nov 20 07:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aliantha View Post
I don't know where it'll all end, but maybe we'll all just stop wearing clothes. *shrugs*
You say that now, come June you'll sing a different tune.


Trilby  Sunday Nov 20 07:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aliantha View Post
There is a lot less modesty, even in just the last couple of generations.
I used to think that, too, but if you read some history about the French court...oooooo baby. Those lay-dees didn't rouge their nipples because they weren't showing them.

Every generation thinks the next generation is going straight to hell. Since forever.


Aliantha  Sunday Nov 20 07:12 PM

Yeah I know. It's why I try and remember that it doesn't matter what I think of the next generation. They'll do what they want and dress how they want and it's ok anyway.

The climate we live in here is very suited to wearing not much most of the time anyway, so it's really no wonder.



Trilby  Sunday Nov 20 07:20 PM

And besides - the next generation might just be wearing swim suits anyway.



Aliantha  Sunday Nov 20 07:23 PM

haha...yeah. I hope there's no more whale harpooning by then or I'm done for!



glatt  Sunday Nov 20 07:26 PM

I understand that the younger generation of women on the french beaches do not go topless and wish the middle aged topless women would put some clothes on.



ZenGum  Monday Nov 21 06:20 AM

What effect does this have on the situation in the middle east?

The fate of the nation is in the hand of angry young men and scared middle-aged men. The side with the most of these wins. recruiting strategy? Nekkid chix.

Viva Al Revolution!



Trilby  Monday Nov 21 08:49 AM

in one sense or another - the recruiting strategy is always nekkid chicks.



CaliforniaMama  Monday Nov 21 09:32 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
Sex is really bad. It leads us to disease, death, unwanted pregnancy and all sorts of horrible outcomes. But in our lizard brains, it has kept our species going for 200,000 years... before civilization of any kind.

At some point we noticed that all this sex was really horrible, and that it was leading to pregnancy (we had to figure that out).

So when we applied civilization to it, we made up all sorts of nonsense rules; such as if a man finds a woman attractive he cannot just pull out his weenie. (He must instead text a picture of his weenie to her.)

Along the way it was attached to religion, because religion was how we passed along information, and how we socialized the youths not to be pulling out their weenies all the time.

The thing about sex is that it affects our bodies and minds in ways we are just beginning to understand.

When we have sex with someone, we are physiologically bonding with them. Our bodies, on a cellular level, are changing and being influenced by the the other person's physiology. We are attaching in body and in mind (and spiritually, some say).

When we then separate from that person, we are causing physical and psychic trauma to ourselves. Our cellular being is experiencing loss of that other being, as is our mind, whether we realize it or not.

Back in the 80's, a friend was getting a degree in physics. One of the tidbits of science that he shared was that when we are within a certain physical proximity of another person there is a physical exchange of ions.

We are, literally, physically influenced by the people we hang out with, for better or for worse.

This is what makes hanging out with the wrong friends so dangerous. We are not only influenced by what they say and how they act, but also by their physical presence.


newtimer  Monday Nov 21 10:02 AM

I'm offended by those bright red slippers. Shameful! It's disgusting how she is flaunting those publicly like that. The only reason for them to be so red is to attract attention. Lustful attention.



Trilby  Monday Nov 21 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by newtimer View Post
I'm offended by those bright red slippers. Shameful! It's disgusting how she is flaunting those publicly like that. The only reason for them to be so red is to attract attention. Lustful attention.



don't mess with my ions.

You wouldn't like me if you mess with my ions.


I've also heard showering/bathing/swimming will switch your ions out.

Interesting.


classicman  Monday Nov 21 01:50 PM

Thats really interesting CaliforniaMama.
Perhaps that is yet ANOTHER REASON I am so much happier since getting divorced.
Less input of the crazy ions



Spexxvet  Monday Nov 21 03:04 PM

She had her ion you.



BigV  Monday Nov 21 04:03 PM

are you saying classicman is unbalanced?



Lamplighter  Monday Nov 21 04:21 PM

That positively is a negative statement



infinite monkey  Monday Nov 21 04:27 PM

I think neuron to something.



BigV  Monday Nov 21 04:37 PM

That is a serious charge.



footfootfoot  Monday Nov 21 08:15 PM

I lost an electron.
Are you sure?
I'm positive.

Thanks Folks, I'll be here all week. Try the Neutrons; they're no charge.



regular.joe  Monday Nov 21 10:22 PM

I had the Neutrons, but I enjoyed the Fission Chips more.



Lamplighter  Monday Nov 21 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by regular.joe View Post
I had the Neutrons, but I enjoyed the Fission Chips more.
Now you're getting the idea.


CaliforniaMama  Tuesday Nov 22 09:04 AM

I love you guys!

(Note: No ions were exchanged in the making of this statement.)



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