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   Undertoad  Thursday Jan 9 01:24 PM

1/9/2003: Weapon chic



This is a new line of handbags being introduced in Rotterdam as one response to growing Euro crime and fear. There isn't an actual gun or knife in these bags, just an *outline* of one, get it?

They also have a third model which outlines a large crucifix. The line is called "Guardian Angel" and the terribly-designed website that sells them says "Guardian Angel: Armed with a gun, a knife or faith, nobody will harm you..."

My skepticism cannot be contained. What you're really saying when you use a bag like this is "I'm frightened of crime so I'm going to wear a bag that suggests I'm both frightened and unwilling to carry an actual firearm. Please threaten me with deadly force and I will fold immediately like a cheap house of cards."

People buying this will stand out as if they were highlighted with an orange pen. Given the false sense of security that they are somehow protected AND the complete lack of knowledge about what to do if actually threatened, my guess is that it can only lead to worse trouble. If I'm going to carry, I'm not going to let you know, and I'm especially not going to let you know which bag it's in and where it is in the bag. I mean, come on.



wolf  Thursday Jan 9 02:01 PM

I have seen some stupid fashion accessories in my life (legwarmers, plastic jelly bracelets, and underwear as outwear) but this has to take the cake.

I suppose some eurotrash designer thought it spoke strongly of the american culture of fashion and violence or somesuch ...

Oh well ... only an idiot takes a fake knife to a gunfight. Might clear out the shallow end of the gene pool a little bit.

There's a very simple concept involved when carrying a concealed weapon ... and that's that it should be, ummmmm, CONCEALED, dammit.

I've heard a lot of discussion about "printing" (that means the weapon shows through your clothing) and whether or not that violates a particular state's CCW laws (in PA it does not, but does defeat the purpose of carrying concealed).

I wonder whether upsetting the populace with the outline of a gun on a handbag would be a chargeable offense in some states/cities (probably would be in New York, where toy guns are now banned, if I recall properly). The Fashionistas will be in a tizzy over this one ...

Now, more importantly, please tell me that those are NOT the colors for this year. Oh my GODS how awful!!!!!



Uryoces  Thursday Jan 9 03:21 PM

I'll cast a few times...

I'd like to point out that America doesn't celebrate a culture of violence. It makes for dramatic story telling, and this is not lost on the news and the entertainment industry. News and entertainment are somethimes the same thing, indeed, many entertainment octopi -- I mean corporations -- own major news outlets.

I highly suspect that life in America is much like life elsewhere in the world, but in this infotainment climate, we'll never really know. I was listenting to NPR this morning, and they were talking about the Spanish American War. Remington gets to Cuba and says "It's pretty quiet here". Hurst exclaims, "You get me the pictures and I'll get you a war!"

These bags are ridiculous. Poorly designed delivering a questionable statement.



Elspode  Thursday Jan 9 04:36 PM

Awhile back, I recall having seen handbags, briefcases and other daily carry items that were constructed in such a manner as to accomodate a real gun. The purses were made so that a woman could walk with her hand discreetly inside, finger on the trigger, and all she had to do was point her purse at point blank range (ther business end, of course) at an attacker and, zowie, no more mugging!

Much more sensible design than the atrocities in the picture. I can't wait until some bozo (excuse me, bozette) tries to get on an airliner with one of these. Talk about confusion...



wolf  Thursday Jan 9 05:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Elspode
Awhile back, I recall having seen handbags, briefcases and other daily carry items that were constructed in such a manner as to accomodate a real gun.
There are several companies that produce items like this. Some of the nicest are made by Coronado Leather. In addition to purses, briefcases, and really nice leather jackets with concealed carry pockets, they have a variety of other accessories.

I want to get one of their dayplanners, which even has a section for a calendar, as well as holding a pistol and two magazines.

Kramer Handgun Leather also makes a variety of concealment holsters, but their primary products are just "regular" but extremely well-made holsters. They also have a line of "ThunderWear" undershirts for men and women that include a concealment holster panel. I recently read an article that said they are working on horsehide bomber jackets.

I have an item or two in of this sort ... there are just some outfits where it's more difficult to carry a pistol ... spoils the line of a "little black dress", you know?


Elspode  Thursday Jan 9 05:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wolf


I have an item or two in of this sort ... there are just some outfits where it's more difficult to carry a pistol ... spoils the line of a "little black dress", you know?
How refreshing to encounter a woman with both fashion sense and a penchant for self defense.

My wife used to work in intake in a psych hospital, BTW. Lots of fun tales about the "oh shit, come a-runnin'" calls in the wards. She was lucky. Only had to dodge a chair once and a pool cue once. She can *still* take me down in about .5.


Nothing But Net  Thursday Jan 9 05:34 PM

Is that a pistol in your pocketbook or are you just happy to see me?

Essential accessories for the "Fashion Police"



wolf  Thursday Jan 9 05:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Elspode

How refreshing to encounter a woman with both fashion sense and a penchant for self defense.
Thank thee, kind sir! Merry to meet you as well.

Quote:
My wife used to work in intake in a psych hospital, BTW. Lots of fun tales about the "oh shit, come a-runnin'" calls in the wards. She was lucky. Only had to dodge a chair once and a pool cue once. She can *still* take me down in about .5.
Very cool. I don't meet/hear of a lot of other people that work intake. It's definitely a very different kind of job, getting to deal with the patients coming in fresh off the street. One of these days I'm going to get around to writing down all of the good stories and seeing if it's publishable. I've seen a lot of "funny things that happened in the ER books, but there aren't any about psych hospitals.

I haven't had to use my considerable "nonviolent crisis intervention" skills on my boyfriend. The knowledge that I can kick his ass keeps him in line ... I'm still on no patient contact restrictions from my injury. I should be back in the game come February, though.


elSicomoro  Thursday Jan 9 08:54 PM

Must be a European thing...perhaps the designer had a bit too much hash at the hash bars.



SteveDallas  Thursday Jan 9 09:46 PM

My first thought was that maybe the woman from slang's "big racK" topic would want one of these, then I saw that they're fakes.

I wonder what the chances are that one of these purses would be snatched by somebody looking to snag a knife or a gun?



slang  Thursday Jan 9 10:10 PM

Re: 1/9/2003: Weapon chic

Quote:
Originally posted by Undertoad
People buying this will stand out as if they were highlighted with an orange pen.........
I think UT's got this nailed. If truely used as a defense strategy it only spells trouble.

I can imagine that some chicks may think it's cool to have one of these handbags, but only for laughs. They're probably too pricey for the tough gals that might find this appealing.

What I'm waiting to see (alert: bad joke coming up) is the muggers using them to intimidate their victims. Can you envision some homeless guy saying something like "dont make me reach in this handbag and cap yer ass, gimme all your money....now!" (dude starts opening the bag in a threatening manner)

And then, when or if the cops show up and busts them, they'd say "what? This is a handbag, are you going to arrest me for carrying it?"

It may very well even develop into it's own black market. You may not want to actually hurt someone in the commission of a crime and having the bag submitted as evidence against you in court would be something I think would be pretty funny. "This guy held you up with that!? Case dismissed."

But that's just the crazy movie running in my mind.


MaggieL  Friday Jan 10 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Elspode

How refreshing to encounter a woman with both fashion sense and a penchant for self defense.
Well, there's a couple of us here. :-) I actually have a flaming pink fanny pack from Uncle Mike's with provisions for a holster, got it *cheap* from <a href="http://www.cdnninvestments.com">CDNN</a> but when it arrived I found out why it was so cheap: it's a *hideously* bright color that screams "this person is carrying *something* dangerous". I'll have to look into dyeing it or something.

Meanwhile my carry weapon is small enough that it conceals very easily on-body most of the time. No Thunderware (or Thunderbra; unfortnately I don't have Thunderboobs) necessary.

The purses do scream "You're in a victim disarmament zone" though.


wolf  Friday Jan 10 01:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MaggieL
I actually have a flaming pink fanny pack from Uncle Mike's with provisions for a holster,

EEEEEEAAAAUUUUWWWW!!!!!

I don't DO pink.

In fact, the only remotely pink item in my wardrobe is a sweater that the well-meaning mother of a dear friend gave me.

I heard a rumor that Kel-Tech makes the polymer receivers of their P-32 pistol in colors, although I've never seen one. Pink is supposed to be available. (I've also heard about royal blue and green. I would have thought there would be some reg. about that to avoid manufacturing real firearms that look like toys.)


quzah  Friday Jan 10 01:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MaggieL
but when it arrived I found out why it was so cheap: it's a *hideously* bright color that screams "this person is carrying *something* dangerous". I'll have to look into dyeing it or something.
You'd do better with a shirt that says: "I'm going to kill you. No, I'm not joking, so fuck off." Or you could be clever and wear one that says something like, "Violators will be shot."

On a side note, they should become very popular, and then acutally stick a weapon in them. That way people assume it's fake until you pull out that butcher knife and debone them.

Heh. I slay me. I really do.

Quzah.


slang  Friday Jan 10 03:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by quzah
"I'm going to kill you. No, I'm not joking, so fuck off."
Very funny. Not bad for a vegan.


Uryoces  Friday Jan 10 04:43 AM

Anyone remember this Nissan Altima commercial a few years back? Guitar riff starts; aha! The Smiths "How Soon is Now" starts playing. Car is shown from every angle, blurbs pop up describing the features: 200 Hp ... 5 speed ... 240 square feet of leather...

I did a spit take and fell off the couch completely, utterly ROTFLMAO.

Big ol' hint: Guess what album that song is from



hairdog  Friday Jan 10 07:38 AM

"Meat is Murder", 1985 by The Smiths. I'm not a fan, just know how to find my way around allmusic.com., and love to try to answer trivia.



Uryoces  Friday Jan 10 04:51 PM

I'm not really a fan either, the guitar riff is kind of cool. The Nissan commercial was a really good example of style over substance, or rather style over "Did-you-even-bother-to-check".



Undertoad  Friday Jan 10 05:16 PM

Hey, look, never mind the album name or the sensibilities of the artist. What is really offensive is the re-making of the ((finest poem/anthem to burning loneliness of all time)) into a pitch for a car.

I am the son
And the heir
Of a shyness that is criminally vulgar
I am the son and heir
Of nothing in particular


It doesn't bring the Altima to mind.

"How Soon Is Now?" was roughly the anthem for Gen-X until "Smells Like Teen Spirit" came along. Used by Nissan, and nobody gave a crap. I remember when "Revolution" was used by Nike, the first time a Beatles song was used commercially, and the big fuss made over the whole thing. Ooh, Microsoft got a Stones song for Win95, another big fuss.

At least "Rock n Roll" makes sense in the context of what Cadillac is trying to push.



elSicomoro  Friday Jan 10 06:44 PM

Hmmm...in looking at my Singles CD by the Smiths, it looks like Johnny and Morrissey gave control of their songs to AOL Time Warner (or rather, their music publishing arm, Warner-Tamerlane). They probably have no real say over how the song is used, but I'm sure they're getting handsome royalty checks.



Uryoces  Friday Jan 10 07:13 PM

I am partial to Kid Loco's "Alone again, so" when I'm playing the cold-chillin' angster.

Let's see:
"Heathaze", Genesis, Duke
"First Man on the Moog", Visit Venus, [some album]
"Plum Island", The Orb, Cydonia

Some of ther songs on my 'Introspective' mp3 list.

All the discussion about "How Soon is Now" is making me want to go find it.

Those handbags are still oogly!



MaggieL  Friday Jan 10 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wolf

I don't DO pink.
Well, it was only 10 bucks...I thought it might be cool to wear with my black T-shirt with pink logos to Pink Pistols meetings. But it isn't just pink, it's *radioactive* pink. It glows in the dark.
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Quote:

I heard a rumor that Kel-Tech makes the polymer receivers of their P-32 pistol in colors, although I've never seen one. Pink is supposed to be available. (I've also heard about royal blue and green. I would have thought there would be some reg. about that to avoid manufacturing real firearms that look like toys.)
Not a rumor.

The grips (not the frames, thank goodness) of <a href="http://www.kel-tec.com/prod02.htm">P-32s </a> and <a href=http://www.kel-tec.com/prod01.htm> P-11 </a>(I carry a P-11, BTW) are polymer, and can be had in colors...although pink isn't one of them. (P-32:black, grey, light or dark blue, olive green or ivory--P-11: black, grey or green)

CDNN does sell a Charles Daly .45 ACP with what they describe as a "hot fuschia polymer frame" (again, they mean grip, not frame)

I'd be reluctant to carry a sidearm that might require a warning shot to convince a perp that it's not a toy. That's one reason I opted for a black P-11 rather than a light blue P-32. The only laws on the subject I'm aware of relate to orange paint on the muzzle *toy* guns that look *real*.


Thadius  Thursday Jan 16 12:32 AM

"No, Jane VPL does not stand for .. 'Visible Pistol Line'.... "



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