xoxoxoBruce Saturday Jan 14 08:03 PM
Jan 15th, 2017: Gravestone
Shelby County, Tennessee...
sexobon Sunday Jan 15 12:07 AM
I'm not buying it. Other sources say she died February 1, 1876 and was buried February 4, 1876 and some volunteer paid for that marker to be placed at her grave in September 1997.
Snakeadelic Sunday Jan 15 09:46 AM
Regardless of the detail accuracy, this reminds us that criminalizing abortions does not remove their availability, only all the medical safeguards and the participation of qualified medical personnel. Criminalize them again and the death rates will go up again. The math on this one is that brutally simple.
limey Sunday Jan 15 10:52 AM
Griff Sunday Jan 15 11:08 AM
sexobon Sunday Jan 15 11:47 AM
I had carried over the term xoB used; but, if it makes people feel better:
limey Sunday Jan 15 02:19 PM
But I do like your epitaph on the bastard.
sexobon Sunday Jan 15 02:49 PM
I knew you would.
BigV Sunday Jan 15 03:06 PM
Besides, what's wrong with sluts? If you don't like them, don't fuck them.
Gravdigr Sunday Jan 15 05:26 PM
I have enjoyed the occasional slut.
xoxoxoBruce Sunday Jan 15 10:51 PM
Fortunately, most people got the point that this has not been a rare story throughout history, and when we finally seemed to be a better society it looks like we may backslide terribly.
xoxoxoBruce Sunday Jan 15 10:53 PM
sexobon Sunday Jan 15 11:05 PM
Yeah, I figured it belonged in the Politics thread where it's not rare that unvetted sources are spun for impact.
xoxoxoBruce Sunday Jan 15 11:20 PM
Despite the niggling details, it was not unvetted. I posted the link to the original photo, but had also looked at...
sexobon Monday Jan 16 12:24 AM
I'm not buying it.
xoxoxoBruce Monday Jan 16 12:31 AM
No it didn't because Jane Roe has nothing to do with the picture.
sexobon Monday Jan 16 01:09 AM
Roe vs Wade had everything to do with the conversation you initiated. You've made better calls; but, I'm not complaining because it gave me a chance to use my new slogan "I'm not buying it."
xoxoxoBruce Monday Jan 16 02:29 AM
I don't direct the conversation that stems from an IOtD, as a matter of fact it usually goes far afield.
Griff Monday Jan 16 09:49 AM
Hmmmmmm…..abortions for some….miniature American flags for others!
Gravdigr Monday Jan 16 03:53 PM
glatt Monday Jan 16 07:34 PM
classicman Saturday Jan 21 01:12 PM
xoxoxoBruce Saturday Jan 21 02:32 PM
What was another choice for a pregnant girl, disowned by family, in 1875 TN?
classicman Saturday Jan 21 02:59 PM
Pico and ME Saturday Jan 21 03:02 PM
Why is it that people who have never been threatened with life on the streets, broke, alone and scared for their life, cant seem to put themselves in the shoes of someone who has?
classicman Saturday Jan 21 03:11 PM
Dunno - Good question. You should ask one directly.
xoxoxoBruce Saturday Jan 21 09:53 PM
So you've been on the street with no money, no job, no home, no family, and no hope?
fargon Sunday Jan 22 07:25 AM
I have just me and Keryx no fun at all.
sexobon Sunday Jan 22 11:13 AM
The measure of a person's character comes when they make choices and when they face adversity. It's easy to be a good person when someone else is providing for you and everything is hunky-dory. The woman lacked willpower and lacked the courage to fight the good fight to recover from mistakes. Unless she was developmentally impaired and/or raped, the onus was equally on her for getting pregnant (it takes two to tango); also, equally on her and the procedure provider for the outcome of having an abortion. Just because life isn't fair doesn't mean that she didn't get what she bargained for each time she chose to gamble.
Pico and ME Sunday Jan 22 12:14 PM
Bottom line: my body, my choice. Keep your moral indignation about my behavior away from my ability to self-determine my own life.
sexobon Sunday Jan 22 12:33 PM
Exactly and the outcomes of your choices are your responsibility, not society's.
Pico and ME Sunday Jan 22 12:38 PM
I get that your taxes shouldn't have to pay for my abortion. But people out there want my taxes to pay for prohibiting my choice to have one.
sexobon Sunday Jan 22 12:56 PM
They're entitled to their opinions; but, they'll fall by the wayside if they act on it and they know it.
classicman Monday Jan 23 10:31 AM
xoxoxoBruce Monday Jan 23 10:48 AM
If the government wasn't involved in sexuality, how would it fuck us?
Gravdigr Monday Jan 23 06:19 PM
Clodfobble Monday Jan 23 06:46 PM
Sex education was amazing back in 1875, you guys. Very thorough, explained that all that bullshit men say about how "you can't get pregnant if we do it this way" was not true, and that she should completely stand her ground against someone strong enough to hurt her because a punch in the face would be much better than a dick in her vagina.
Clodfobble Monday Jan 23 06:48 PM
Oh, and also, it's a really good idea to bring a baby into the world just to watch it freeze/starve to death because you're both living on the streets. That's a much better choice, I can't understand why she didn't make it.
DanaC Tuesday Jan 24 05:36 PM
At that time, it would not just have been a matter of not being able to feed/clothe/raise a child. To have a child out of wedlock was social suicide. 'Disowned by her family' was an extreme fate - because it would not have just meant being kicked out of her parent's home - it would have meant being excluded from the wider community, unable to marry and participate in a family life - in a culture in which women had few rights, were able to command a fraction of the wage a man might earn, and unlikely to be hired anyway within the limited field of available female employment.*
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Jan 24 05:40 PM
Right on, Dana. A quick death for her and the baby was a blessing.
sexobon Tuesday Jan 24 06:27 PM
In the USA, Tennessee was in the forefront of reconstruction after the Civil War. They had social programs including old peoples homes and these things called ORPHANAGES! They weren't really intended; however, for women not yet married, encroaching on the age of Catherine and trying to trap a husband by getting pregnant (which women have done since the inception of the institution and still do today). If the plan backfired because the guy wouldn't marry her, the chances of her finding another man after having a child were slim to none; so, she would seek an abortion. The woman would indeed be ostracized by both society and her family.
Clodfobble Tuesday Jan 24 06:35 PM
And yet somehow no one ever forced the guy to marry her as part of the punishment he was due for not keeping it in his own pants. If he didn't want to run the risk of being entrapped by a wiley woman and her cage-like vagina, he probably shouldn't have fucked her, hmm?
sexobon Tuesday Jan 24 06:41 PM
Why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free, hymn, hymn, sing for him?
Clodfobble Tuesday Jan 24 07:38 PM
I can see why living in 1875 appeals to you.
sexobon Tuesday Jan 24 07:46 PM
You need a new prescription.
Gravdigr Saturday Jan 28 06:17 PM
An aspirin would have prevented the problem.
xoxoxoBruce Saturday Jan 28 06:24 PM
Aspirin wasn't invented until 1899.
sexobon Saturday Jan 28 06:57 PM
A well timed headache (as in Not now, I have a headache.) would have prevented the problem.
footfootfoot Friday Feb 3 08:54 PM
"A wiley woman with a cage-like vagina"