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   xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Jan 14 08:03 PM

Jan 15th, 2017: Gravestone

Shelby County, Tennessee...



Can't wait for America to be great again, so those back-alley butchers can kill off those sluts, you betcha.

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sexobon  Sunday Jan 15 12:07 AM

I'm not buying it. Other sources say she died February 1, 1876 and was buried February 4, 1876 and some volunteer paid for that marker to be placed at her grave in September 1997.

If the person who wrote the inscription couldn't get the woman's age and year of death right, which are in the historical records, what are the chances of the remainder of it being accurate.

(It's like someone is using a dead slut for attention whoring.)



Snakeadelic  Sunday Jan 15 09:46 AM

Regardless of the detail accuracy, this reminds us that criminalizing abortions does not remove their availability, only all the medical safeguards and the participation of qualified medical personnel. Criminalize them again and the death rates will go up again. The math on this one is that brutally simple.



limey  Sunday Jan 15 10:52 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sexobon View Post
I'm not buying it. Other sources say she died February 1, 1876 and was buried February 4, 1876 and some volunteer paid for that marker to be placed at her grave in September 1997.

If the person who wrote the inscription couldn't get the woman's age and year of death right, which are in the historical records, what are the chances of the remainder of it being accurate.

(It's like someone is using a dead slut for attention whoring.)
I object to this - as recounted here (the only evidence we have), the girl was seduced. That does not make her a slut. It makes the seducer a bastard.
Thank you.


Griff  Sunday Jan 15 11:08 AM

Thank you.



sexobon  Sunday Jan 15 11:47 AM

I had carried over the term xoB used; but, if it makes people feel better:

Quote:
Friend of the father of the late Kate McCormack
whom he seduced and got pregnant
Not having wed her, she died from abortion,
the only choice he left her
He abandoned her in life and death
with a rose coming only from her mother
Leaving her to be buried through the kindness
of unknown benefactors
Died a bastard; but, not soon enough

Victimizer in an enabling society
God forgive them 'cause we won't



limey  Sunday Jan 15 02:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sexobon View Post
I had carried over the term xoB used; but, if it makes people feel better:
I think you'll find xoB was using a figure of speech called "irony".

But I do like your epitaph on the bastard.


sexobon  Sunday Jan 15 02:49 PM

I knew you would.



BigV  Sunday Jan 15 03:06 PM

Besides, what's wrong with sluts? If you don't like them, don't fuck them.



Gravdigr  Sunday Jan 15 05:26 PM

I have enjoyed the occasional slut.

As well as the occasionally slutty.



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jan 15 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sexobon View Post
I'm not buying it. Other sources say she died [February 1, 1876 and was buried February 4, 1876 and some volunteer paid for that marker to be placed at her grave in September 1997.
You are correct about the niggling details, Mr Miyagi. Her name even might have been Simpson.

Fortunately, most people got the point that this has not been a rare story throughout history, and when we finally seemed to be a better society it looks like we may backslide terribly.


xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jan 15 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by limey View Post
I think you'll find xoB was using a figure of speech called "irony".
You are entirely correct, we sluts don't disparage our own.


sexobon  Sunday Jan 15 11:05 PM

Yeah, I figured it belonged in the Politics thread where it's not rare that unvetted sources are spun for impact.



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jan 15 11:20 PM

Despite the niggling details, it was not unvetted. I posted the link to the original photo, but had also looked at...

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...r&GRid=9540313

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/commen...ate_mccormick/

https://playingintheworldgame.wordpr...ack-and-white/

I felt it was close enough for a non-political thread. My post, my call.

You are welcome to post your IOtD in your manner.



sexobon  Monday Jan 16 12:24 AM

I'm not buying it.

Did your vetting process also show that Norma McCorvey, known in court documents as Jane ROE (against Henry WADE, the district attorney of Dallas County from 1951 to 1987 who enforced a Texas law that prohibited abortion except to save a woman's life) was the Texas resident who sought to obtain an abortion when she became the lead plaintiff in the case. She gave up the baby for adoption. Norma McCorvey had since come forward and changed sides on the abortion debate. In 1997, the same year the IOTD gravestone with that epitaph was placed on Kate Simpsom McCormick's grave, McCorvey started Roe No More, a pro-life outreach organization (that was dissolved in 2008). Mere coincidence I suppose.

Whoever placed that gravestone probably vetted the deceased's story well enough for their purposes too.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jan 16 12:31 AM

No it didn't because Jane Roe has nothing to do with the picture.
Like I said, my post, my call.



sexobon  Monday Jan 16 01:09 AM

Roe vs Wade had everything to do with the conversation you initiated. You've made better calls; but, I'm not complaining because it gave me a chance to use my new slogan "I'm not buying it."



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jan 16 02:29 AM

I don't direct the conversation that stems from an IOtD, as a matter of fact it usually goes far afield.
You;re welcome to start a thread on abortion, I'm sure you'll get a spirited response to such a hot button issue.


Oh, and how does your having a slogan change you posting your on any subject? You've never been shy about posting your opinions, does this mean you'll just post your slogan and let it go at that?



Griff  Monday Jan 16 09:49 AM

Hmmmmmm…..abortions for some….miniature American flags for others!



Gravdigr  Monday Jan 16 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sexobon View Post
Roe vs Wade had everything to do with the conversation you initiated. You've made better calls; but, I'm not complaining because it gave me something to fucking argue about.
There I fixed that for you.


glatt  Monday Jan 16 07:34 PM

Snort



classicman  Saturday Jan 21 01:12 PM

Quote:
her only choice
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. BS


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Jan 21 02:32 PM

What was another choice for a pregnant girl, disowned by family, in 1875 TN?



classicman  Saturday Jan 21 02:59 PM

life



Pico and ME  Saturday Jan 21 03:02 PM

Why is it that people who have never been threatened with life on the streets, broke, alone and scared for their life, cant seem to put themselves in the shoes of someone who has?



classicman  Saturday Jan 21 03:11 PM

Dunno - Good question. You should ask one directly.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Jan 21 09:53 PM

So you've been on the street with no money, no job, no home, no family, and no hope?



fargon  Sunday Jan 22 07:25 AM

I have just me and Keryx no fun at all.



sexobon  Sunday Jan 22 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
So you've been on the street with no money, no job, no home, no family, and no hope?
It doesn't matter. She was 21, not 12. She was her own responsible party. She gambled that she wouldn't get pregnant out of wedlock knowing the consequences if she did. She lost. She had the option of doing whatever it takes to have the baby; or, die trying. Instead, she gambled on having an abortion knowing the risk if she did, She lost. There's an old saying Don't gamble with what you can't afford to lose.


The measure of a person's character comes when they make choices and when they face adversity. It's easy to be a good person when someone else is providing for you and everything is hunky-dory. The woman lacked willpower and lacked the courage to fight the good fight to recover from mistakes. Unless she was developmentally impaired and/or raped, the onus was equally on her for getting pregnant (it takes two to tango); also, equally on her and the procedure provider for the outcome of having an abortion. Just because life isn't fair doesn't mean that she didn't get what she bargained for each time she chose to gamble.


Pico and ME  Sunday Jan 22 12:14 PM

Bottom line: my body, my choice. Keep your moral indignation about my behavior away from my ability to self-determine my own life.



sexobon  Sunday Jan 22 12:33 PM

Exactly and the outcomes of your choices are your responsibility, not society's.



Pico and ME  Sunday Jan 22 12:38 PM

I get that your taxes shouldn't have to pay for my abortion. But people out there want my taxes to pay for prohibiting my choice to have one.



sexobon  Sunday Jan 22 12:56 PM

They're entitled to their opinions; but, they'll fall by the wayside if they act on it and they know it.



classicman  Monday Jan 23 10:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pico and ME View Post
I get that your taxes shouldn't have to pay for my abortion. But people out there want my taxes to pay for prohibiting my choice to have one.
I agree with you 100%. The govt should not be involved at all. Same with marriage ... and sexuality.


xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jan 23 10:48 AM

If the government wasn't involved in sexuality, how would it fuck us?



Gravdigr  Monday Jan 23 06:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
What was another choice for a pregnant girl, disowned by family, in 1875 TN?
To have kept it her pants?


Clodfobble  Monday Jan 23 06:46 PM

Sex education was amazing back in 1875, you guys. Very thorough, explained that all that bullshit men say about how "you can't get pregnant if we do it this way" was not true, and that she should completely stand her ground against someone strong enough to hurt her because a punch in the face would be much better than a dick in her vagina.



Clodfobble  Monday Jan 23 06:48 PM

Oh, and also, it's a really good idea to bring a baby into the world just to watch it freeze/starve to death because you're both living on the streets. That's a much better choice, I can't understand why she didn't make it.



DanaC  Tuesday Jan 24 05:36 PM

At that time, it would not just have been a matter of not being able to feed/clothe/raise a child. To have a child out of wedlock was social suicide. 'Disowned by her family' was an extreme fate - because it would not have just meant being kicked out of her parent's home - it would have meant being excluded from the wider community, unable to marry and participate in a family life - in a culture in which women had few rights, were able to command a fraction of the wage a man might earn, and unlikely to be hired anyway within the limited field of available female employment.*




* during the 18th C. and into the 19th C. in Britain, some working cultures, particularly in urban areas, had a different take on marriage, so I'm guessing that isn't a universal assessment, but if she was being disowned, it's unlikely she was from such a sub-culture.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 24 05:40 PM

Right on, Dana. A quick death for her and the baby was a blessing.
Looking from 2017 we can tsk tsk, but reality 100 years ago was very different.



sexobon  Tuesday Jan 24 06:27 PM

In the USA, Tennessee was in the forefront of reconstruction after the Civil War. They had social programs including old peoples homes and these things called ORPHANAGES! They weren't really intended; however, for women not yet married, encroaching on the age of Catherine and trying to trap a husband by getting pregnant (which women have done since the inception of the institution and still do today). If the plan backfired because the guy wouldn't marry her, the chances of her finding another man after having a child were slim to none; so, she would seek an abortion. The woman would indeed be ostracized by both society and her family.

If, OTOH, women in 1875 were just so ignorant that they got pregnant because they allowed men, who told them they wouldn't, to screw them, well that's the best reason I've heard yet for not giving them the right to vote until 1920.



Clodfobble  Tuesday Jan 24 06:35 PM

And yet somehow no one ever forced the guy to marry her as part of the punishment he was due for not keeping it in his own pants. If he didn't want to run the risk of being entrapped by a wiley woman and her cage-like vagina, he probably shouldn't have fucked her, hmm?



sexobon  Tuesday Jan 24 06:41 PM

Why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free, hymn, hymn, sing for him?



Clodfobble  Tuesday Jan 24 07:38 PM

I can see why living in 1875 appeals to you.



sexobon  Tuesday Jan 24 07:46 PM

You need a new prescription.



Gravdigr  Saturday Jan 28 06:17 PM

An aspirin would have prevented the problem.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Jan 28 06:24 PM

Aspirin wasn't invented until 1899.



sexobon  Saturday Jan 28 06:57 PM

A well timed headache (as in Not now, I have a headache.) would have prevented the problem.



footfootfoot  Friday Feb 3 08:54 PM

"A wiley woman with a cage-like vagina"

Would make an awesome user title, just saying.



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