Undertoad Monday May 5 03:26 PM
5/5/2003: Tornado damage
juju Monday May 5 04:04 PM
It's preferable to be as low as possible, of course. But failing that, you should find an area with no windows, like maybe a hallway or a closet.
doc Monday May 5 04:29 PM
But, they did it in Twister :-^)
lawman Monday May 5 04:30 PM
yup - had people tried to have hidden somewhere 'safe' on the main floor they would have bit it.
xoxoxoBruce Monday May 5 04:57 PM
It looks like there's still "stuff" on the first floor. Since the tornado pulls most of the house up and away rather than collapsing it, you might survive flat on the floor away from flying debris. I say might because I've seen plenty of pictures of bare slabs in the aftermath. I have read if you lay flat under your car (if it's high enough), you probably won't get picked up even if the car is.
russotto Monday May 5 05:02 PM
F5? Is this from the recent storms? I thought they were "only" F3.
Undertoad Monday May 5 06:32 PM
That may be as I was going by an early report.
xoxoxoBruce Monday May 5 07:47 PM
Read Elspode's post in current events.
Elspode Monday May 5 11:52 PM
The KC area tornadoes are estimated at F2-F3, but final determination won't happen until all damage is assessed.
Bitmap Tuesday May 6 12:07 AM
You Sunk My Battle Ship!!
novice Tuesday May 6 12:16 AM
With seat belts, sprung upholstery, air bags, side intrusion bars, rollover protection and maybe something like gaffa tape on the windows a modern suv could be the safest place. The ones in the photo don't seem too badly beaten. Then again, I don't know if I'd have the nuts to sit in my car and stare down a twister.
bjlhct Tuesday May 6 12:31 AM
SUVs not safe at all.
How well are you going to do when the tornado picks up your SUV and throws it at the ground at 30 mph sideways? And then a 100 mph rock comes through the window and hits you in the face?
wolf Tuesday May 6 01:07 AM
wolf Tuesday May 6 01:09 AM
Hey UT, how far are you from that development that got creamed a couple years back up near the nuke plant?
novice Tuesday May 6 02:19 AM
Re: SUVs not safe at all.
WOLF, maam, most of the critters are fairly predictable as far as habitat requirements go so being a card carrying coward I follow Mr Miyagi's plan." Best defense...no be there"
'no place like home'
juju Tuesday May 6 03:38 AM
All the experts around here always tell us that being in a car during a tornado is basically certain death. Consider the fact that tornados often pick up cars and deposit them as much as a quarter of a mile from their original position. It's not just going to knock you around a bit. You may very well become airborne for a very long time. Of course, it's the landing that's the bitch.
novice Tuesday May 6 04:20 AM
I guess it's a case of ' choose your destruction'.I'm not sure whether i'd prefer flying a quarter of a mile with, or without, a vehicle surrounding me.
juju Tuesday May 6 04:46 AM
I don't know of any hard statistics. But yeah, there's basically nothing you can do except try to get to the lowest point possible.
Petyr Tuesday May 6 07:10 AM
This reminds me of a conversation I was having with my cousins who live on the west coast. They said they would much prefer earthquakes to tornados. Again, its a choose your own disaster, but I'd rather take the realitively narrow focused tornados at lower odds to a massive earthquake which just wipes everything out :p
Undertoad Tuesday May 6 09:16 AM
Wolf, that tornado that hit near us was in Limerick and was at least 3 miles away. I don't even know that we would be susceptible to tornado because we are on a hillside, but when it gets close you do decide to take that 30 seconds to work out what room you would go to.
e unibus plurum Tuesday May 6 12:24 PM
Torrere Tuesday May 6 07:06 PM
Well, during an earthquake, sometimes your house moves...
Emrikol Tuesday May 6 08:20 PM
CharlieG Wednesday May 7 08:22 AM
I've been through an F1 back when I was a kid - Luckily F1s can be fairly "Mild" - The one I went through was on the F0-F1 border - Took the roof off the house across the street, and we lost a tree. The local park lost a LOT of trees - This was suburban NYC of all places
xoxoxoBruce Wednesday May 7 07:04 PM
I saw a show on TV about those crazy storm chasers. An SUV got caught in the way of a tornado. It didn't pick up the car but sucked the driver out from behind the wheel and out the side window. The passenger, wearing a seat belt, was unscathed.
Bitmap Thursday May 8 12:00 AM
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Slithy_Tove Friday May 9 01:45 AM
As to how to be safe in a 1-story house built on a slab: the advice I've heard is to get in the bathtub and pull a mattress over your head. The idea is that the sides of the bathtub will stop any large beam that falls on top of you and prevent it from crushing you, and the mattress will cushion the flying smaller stuff. Of course, this won't work if the mattress gets pulled away into the funnel, or if you do.
juju Friday May 9 02:00 AM
Yeah, my wife told me she heard the same thing.
Unknown_Poltroon Friday May 9 11:35 AM
Was watching the history/discovery channel a while back, and they had the story of the f5 that went through a texas town a few years back. THe town was basically construced on 2 feet of dirt, over a layer of rock hard granite, so people couldnt dig storm shelters. THe only family to survive at home was the one where the father dug like a 3 foot deep storm cellar in his living room, taking 2+ years to chip through the granite. Vrtually everyone else was killed. His house was gone, and nearly evrinthing down to ground level in the town was basiclaly vaporized.
xoxoxoBruce Friday May 9 12:49 PM
The extreme low pressure (vacuum) in the center doesn't lift anything. It's the higher pressure air rushing into the void that pushes objects up into the funnel. The pressure differential that creates lift on an airplane wing is another example.
So being in a bathtub would protect you from that multi hundred mph horizontal wind (with debris) pushing you too.
Of course the whole tub may fly but it's a sensible option.
BrianR Friday May 9 12:53 PM
Don't I recall Dagney or Wolf posting a link to a company that makes concrete shelters that COULD be used for tornado shelter?
Scred Monday May 19 10:19 PM
Ever since then, I make that 30 second plan, too, hill or no hill.