xoxoxoBruce Wednesday Jul 11 11:12 PM
July 12th, 2018: Feel Good Day
Ok, I had a different IOtD ready but decided to do something different today because Iím doing it and youíre not.
BigV Thursday Jul 12 12:14 AM
Cockles warmed, thank you xoB.
Griff Thursday Jul 12 07:18 AM
Carruthers Thursday Jul 12 10:42 AM
Well done to all the emergency service personnel involved!
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Jul 12 11:39 AM
Yes, single home. Here in the US as the suburbs built up the mostly agricultural land got gradually nibbled away as heirs divided and sold grampa's farm. Then only large pieces were left, with prices are far beyond what most can afford. Enter developers with big bucks who buy grampa's farm and put up a shitload of houses made out of ticky tacky and all look just the same. In order to placate buyers that they will continue to all look just the same and I won't buy the place next door with my lottery winnings and turn it into something to degrade your property value, the deeds are written so you submit to the whims of an HOA.
Carruthers Thursday Jul 12 12:55 PM
It sounds like a recipe for festering resentment, petty vendettas and general score settling!
I am only speaking in general terms, but in the UK there are very often covenants in the deeds which people tend to obey or ignore as they think fit.
Again generally, covenants are difficult to enforce and matters only surface when a property is sold.
I'm aware of a local building plot with a derelict bungalow which has a covenant restricting further development.
The trouble is that the covenant is so old it isn't known if there is anyone in a position to enforce it.
The estate agent's blurb mentions that the vendors have taken out insurance against an attempt at enforcement and the premium will be reflected in the sale price. From memory it was about £2000.
Along the road here, there's a general prohibition against keeping poultry.
In a gesture of rebellion I am considering rushing out and buying a dozen Rhode Island Reds.
After I've had my tea, of course.
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Jul 12 02:20 PM
Gravdigr Thursday Jul 12 04:36 PM
Fuck a HOA.
Leus Thursday Jul 12 04:40 PM
*actual fist bump here*
Clodfobble Thursday Jul 12 11:31 PM
Well, the serious answer is because they also tell your neighbors not to be dickholes. Nobody likes the HOA until they find themselves living next to a hoarder with dead animals in the yard and a 15-foot Nazi flag nailed to the roof. Even if you tell yourself you could just ignore a neighbor like that, the reality is you could never sell your house with that guy next to you.
xoxoxoBruce Friday Jul 13 12:06 AM
I've seen the nightmares it causes people who don't fit the mold the HOA demands, like a plumber who can't park his pickup in his own driveway overnight because it had his company name painted on the door. Or the people who couldn't put up a clothes pole in the backyard and were forced to use their dryer in the summer, etc, etc.
glatt Friday Jul 13 01:21 PM
I'm also firmly in the anti-HOA camp. Maybe I've just been lucky with my neighbors.
Undertoad Friday Jul 13 03:09 PM
The neighbors across the street from me wait until their grass is a foot long, sometimes, before they mow it.
xoxoxoBruce Friday Jul 13 05:08 PM
My lawn hasn't been mowed this year.
Undertoad Friday Jul 13 05:25 PM
Well that's just sensible flood control.
xoxoxoBruce Friday Jul 13 09:56 PM
They did a few times over the years, the Fire Marshall even sent me a couple pages out of the national fire code something or other. I told them to fuck off.
BigV Friday Jul 13 10:36 PM
An HOA is no defense against dickholes as neighbors. HOAs run by reasonable people without vendettas probably do have a good chance of being fine, I'll agree to that.
*I* don't like HOAs because I'm not interested in having agents of conformity given additional legally enforceable tools to do their dirty work. Giving these pocket-potentates more hammers to harangue and harass the nail that sticks up, even a little just feels wrong. Full disclosure--I have a very small appetite for conformity to begin with--even driving past one of these named subsubsubdivisions with their aspirational signs at the entrance, or worse, the gate, gives me a mental shot of superiority. Party on you drones in your hive! Driving through them is worse, of course. I've actually been pulled over by the cops and hassled for driving while non-conforming. I had taken the wrong exit from the highway and found myself in this neighborhood for the first time.... fuck. I can't say for sure the cop was employed by the HOA, but the whole Borg-vibe was just... suffocating. The cop helpfully escorted me back to the deeper end of the gene pool.
I don't fit in. They know it. I know it. They're waaay over there, and I'm here and that suits us both.
For the record, I would not like to have a neighbor with a big ass Nazi flag on the roof and I think if one popped up in my neighborhood, an ad hoc HOA might spontaneously coalesce and to express the gravity of such deviant behavior. That's definitely a outlier-ish hypothetical example. As for the dead animals, I... might have a few of them in my own yard out there. Some are owl pellets and some are actual graves. So I'm not quite as judgy on that score.
Griff Saturday Jul 14 07:30 AM
Gravdigr Saturday Jul 14 05:20 PM
My biggest problem with HOAs is the situation like the 90-something yo veteran who can't fly the flag, for which he fought, on Memorial Day, in his own damn yard, because of HOA rules.
Gravdigr Saturday Jul 14 05:25 PM