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   Tony Shepps  Tuesday Jul 10 10:25 AM

7/10: Naked PETA again

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Oh my, it happened again...



ndetroit  Tuesday Jul 10 11:28 AM

Hmmm... I'm sensing a bit of a theme here...

Why do you think that PETA keeps going on with this type of protest? They must feel that it is somewhat effective, or they would not go to all this trouble?

In one way, I suppose that with the internet and whatnot, a lot of people are seeing their message.. (everyone loves nudity... hooray for nudity!)..

But if you look at it another way, maybe it's not so much the spreading of the message, but more... a type of 'recruiting drive'.. I saw today's PETA picture and thought to myself "Damn... joining PETA is starting to look real good. Maybe I can give up meat after all or something..."



dynamo  Tuesday Jul 10 11:47 AM

hmm...

Why do I think this is a fetish of hers?

...maybe these peta people just cause me to assume the worst about them.

dynamo



narkosys  Tuesday Jul 10 02:33 PM

al least she is cute!



jaguar  Tuesday Jul 10 09:02 PM

God PETA shits me up the wall, there are bigger animal rights issues to deal with than zoos (this what they're protesting about??) Every protest movement has its fair share of absolute morons, at least in animal rights its concentrated in one neat movement, the amount of dumbass 'socialist' protesters who randomly smash things coz this is aparantly furthereing their cause.....



elSicomoro  Tuesday Jul 10 10:44 PM

Tony, I'd like to thank you. You posted a cute gal for once and not some guy's ass. Not that you really have any control over this, but thank you anyway.



Slight  Wednesday Jul 11 12:09 AM

Woah! I did not even know what she was protesting until I read Jag's post. This is why naked chicks is not good advertising.

PETY: People for the ethical treatment of yeast

All kidding aside I think that PeTA is a good thing. Although I disagree with them, they give another side to the argument. People should be open minded. Unfortunately PeTA gives themselves a bad name when they do a stupid stunt like this.

In this case, the root cause for zoos now-a-days is animal extinction due to loss of habitat. PeTA is just fighting a symptom of that cause. It seems to me an that organizations like greenpeace understand better what is going on, and therefore they tackle the issues in a way that isn't so cutsy; ie. pulling a PR stunt.



jaguar  Wednesday Jul 11 04:45 AM

Don't get me wrong, i'm definately behind animal rights, its jsut this seems to be a ship of fools, headed by a a fool *in the land of the blind an one eyed man could be king* There are simply bigger fish to fry in animal rights.



serge  Wednesday Jul 11 06:30 AM

Have you seen caged animals lately? I'll just take one aspect of this barbarism (it's torture really, put yourself in their place). Remember how some of they are (already) at a point where they don't respond to humans (or anything else it seems).. just stand/lay there motionless whole day long! I won't go into why that happens.. everyone knows...

I'm not a big animal rights person, as I have most of my time taken up by figuring out how to protect human rights (see mormons thread). I do what I can.. I usually speak out when I see above-described situation. I don't own any animals as pets and try to discourage others.



jaguar  Wednesday Jul 11 06:53 AM

It depends on the cage, i mean most modern zoos have large, spacious specially designed to suit the needs of the animal and do thier best to recreate its natual habitat. Zoos that don't are usually in poorer countries and won't give a damn if some chick in the US strips to prove a point. I agree some cages are terible, i've seen some bad stuff, but frankly i value the amazon above zoos as enviromental/animal rights priorities. I own a cat, he lvies a very happy/easy(eat, sleep) life, if he wasent' with us, he would have been put down, i don't like people owning wild animals as pets but domesticated animals?



dynamo  Wednesday Jul 11 11:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by serge
Have you seen caged animals lately? I'll just take one aspect of this barbarism (it's torture really, put yourself in their place). Remember how some of they are (already) at a point where they don't respond to humans (or anything else it seems).. just stand/lay there motionless whole day long! I won't go into why that happens.. everyone knows...
There are benefits to zoos, they are not just freak shows. I live in St. Louis (hi syc) so I might be biased because we have an excellent zoo, but there is a lot of education that goes on there. First that these animals are wild, not pets, there is no one trying to teach them to dance in there. And of course we learn about their habitat and the different creatures that have evolved in different environments around the planet. And unfortunately some of them are endangered, their habitat is being eroded away by man. That's a very serious issue, and it's made very real at the st. louis zoo. And that's really just the tip of the iceberg...zoos are important.

I do have a pair of cats, they bring a lot to my life, and I would suspect that if given the choice, they would happily choose to live a long comfortable life with me over nonexistance.


ndetroit  Wednesday Jul 11 12:35 PM

It's interesting, because we seem to be transitioning from the 'oldschool' style of zoo where you have dancing bears, and you can pet the lions, and the monkeys eat all the popcorn you can throw at them INTO a new sort of 'savanah' style zoo..

The San Diego Wild Animal Park is a good example of this. I was down there recently, and it was pretty cool. HUGE wide open spaces for the animals to roam, and to intermingle with each other. It was as close to 'wild' as you can get. The big differences I think are that they didn't intermingle predators with prey (IE: no lions and antelopes together, but rhinos and antelopes are ok) and each 'area' is not big enough for an annual migration pattern, which must still suck for highly migratory species.

The other cool thing about it was the level of detail... Some animals like a very barren landscape, some like tons of trees and bushes to hide in and shade themselves with, etc, etc.

I guess another example of this style of park is the new Disney one in florida, although I have not been there....



elSicomoro  Wednesday Jul 11 05:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dynamo
There are benefits to zoos, they are not just freak shows. I live in St. Louis (hi syc)
Yeeeah! St. Louis in the house! Where did you go to high school?

I think zoos are an important part of keeping species alive. Many zoos (such as the St. Louis Zoo or the National Zoo) take painstaking steps to preserve the natural habitat of many of their exhibits. (e.g. Big Cat Country at the St. Louis Zoo or the Panda House at the National Zoo) We get to learn about their lives and figure out ways to keep them alive for many generations to come.

Jag also brought up a good point. Say we didn't domesticate dogs or cats. The numbers of them would go through the roof, and most of them would probably not be as tame as they generally are today. Furthermore, domesticated animals provide a lifeline of sorts to many folks, brighting up their lives and giving them both a companion and a sense of responsibility.


ChrisD  Thursday Jul 12 08:56 AM

A cube in a lot of ways could be considered a cage...



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