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   Undertoad  Wednesday Sep 10 02:51 PM

9/10/2003: DaVinci theft



If you have a digital camera, you have a duty to take shots of everything. You never know what will become interesting later.

What you're looking at is the theft of DaVinci's Madonna with the Yarnwinder from a castle in Britain.

The shot was taken by a tourist, who was visiting from New Zealand. But actually she wasn't just shooting at random; she shot because she thought it might be a robbery. And it was.

"We heard the alarm going off and the first man climbed over the wall and said not to worry, 'Don't worry love, We're the police. This is just a practice' he said. When the second man came over the wall we felt something was going on."

And it was, the theft of a painting worth anywhere from 25 to 100 million pounds ($40-145 M).

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But at least one person says it's not a DaVinci after all.



BryanD  Wednesday Sep 10 03:40 PM

the REALLY wierd bit is - I was on the way to this castle (about 30 minutes out) when this occured..

We ran into police roadblocks on the B-road we were on as we got closer.



Elspode  Wednesday Sep 10 04:05 PM

Presumably, an enhancement of the pic will show the license plate...of course, I'd have to guess that the car was stolen as well.

Here's a link to a copy of the controversial artwork...
http://www.abcgallery.com/L/leonardo/leonardo29.html



Unknown_Poltroon  Wednesday Sep 10 04:26 PM

digital images.

I didn't know you could really enhance digital images that much.



Elspode  Wednesday Sep 10 04:34 PM

Oh, sure...they do it in spy movies all the time. You know the government keeps all the really good special effects...um...er...digital processing algorithms to themselves, don't you?



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Sep 10 06:33 PM

That is a very strange painting



elSicomoro  Wednesday Sep 10 08:37 PM

Oh sure...they say it's fake AFTER the painting is stolen. That's pisspoor psychology.

I've never understood art theft...I mean, what the fuck are you going to do with it? You could sell it to an art fanatic and make over that way, but then what the fuck is the buyer going to do with it? How would you explain it to your friends when they come over?



Elspode  Wednesday Sep 10 09:41 PM

That's the beauty of art. If you can afford it, you can buy it, lock it away in a little room...and then just look at it to your heart's content, and feel privleged.

Art is a very personal thing. Everyone reacts differently and individually to a work of art. I cannot honestly say that I've ever enjoyed viewing art more in a group than I have on my own.

Then again, the temptation to hang it in your living room and invite the entire PTA over would be strong. "That old thing? Oh, that's just a DaVinci I picked up the other day at the flea market."

Remember that part in "The Freshman", when Penelope Ann Miller tells Matthew Broderick that the Mona Lisa hanging over her mob daddy's (Marlon Brando) mantle is the real one, and the one in the Louvre is a cunning replacement?



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Sep 10 10:00 PM

And you can keep anyone else from looking at it if you wish.



mitheral  Thursday Sep 11 05:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Elspode
Oh, sure...they do it in spy movies all the time. You know the government keeps all the really good special effects...um...er...digital processing algorithms to themselves, don't you?
They just have to whip out their copy of Photoshop NSA.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Sep 11 07:12 PM

They took shuttle photos (and movie film) to the Kodak plant in NY state. They, did some amazing things.



elSicomoro  Friday Sep 12 03:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Elspode
That's the beauty of art. If you can afford it, you can buy it, lock it away in a little room...and then just look at it to your heart's content, and feel privleged.
Oh, I understand that, Ep. I just personally find it offensive--and sad.


russotto  Friday Sep 12 02:03 PM

There's definitely enough information in that image to get at least a partial plate. Particularly given you know the font and the possibilities. My algorithm reveals

MS96 XBP

Though the M and the B are rather doubtful.



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Sep 12 07:56 PM

MS 96 X B P You mean Bill Gates is behind this too.



russotto  Monday Sep 15 09:53 AM

Yep. He bought the manuscripts and now he's taking the art, any which way he can.



BryanD  Tuesday Sep 16 11:05 AM

actually, I expect it was the newpaper that blurred the plate. I remember the radio giving out the car registration number, along with the description of the vehicle.



Elspode  Tuesday Sep 16 02:11 PM

That seems sort of silly...why would you blur the very information that might help solve the crime, especially when it had already been released over the radio?



wolf  Tuesday Sep 16 02:21 PM

Might be a "quality of image" issue rather than an "intentional obfuscation" issue.

Of course, if the museum had been attempting not to have it discovered that it had a fake ... curiouser and curiouser.



jaguar  Tuesday Sep 16 10:50 PM

Things like this are often stolen 'on order' as well, so there is high chance it was 'sold' per se before they even stole it.



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