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   Undertoad  Wednesday May 5 01:54 PM

5/5/2004: Maori warrior protests



The guy's name is Tama Iti, and he's challenging officials yesterday at Parliament grounds in New Zealand, along with 10,000 or so other protestors. About 50 of them were dressed like him, in flax skirts and carrying spears.

Their beef: they're Maori warriors. They stake claim to some of the shoreline that the government is proposing should simply be public coast.



wolf  Wednesday May 5 01:56 PM

Are they trying to build a casino or something?



lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 02:04 PM

i think i could take him.



MachineyBear  Wednesday May 5 03:00 PM

The people around him sure don't seem to be scared of a modern-day warrior.



jdbutler  Wednesday May 5 03:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MachineyBear
The people around him sure don't seem to be scared of a modern-day warrior.
That's because he brought a spear to a probable gun-fight.


jaguar  Wednesday May 5 03:14 PM

This is New-Zealand. They disbanded their army, probably due to boredom.



glatt  Wednesday May 5 03:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jdbutler


That's because he brought a spear to a probable gun-fight.
"Secret Service" type guy on the right is most certainly ready to react with an appropriate level of force if need be.

I wonder where this coastland is exactly. So much of New Zealand is undeveloped coastline. It's everywhere.


lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 03:28 PM

history lesson about the maori




chrisinhouston  Wednesday May 5 04:32 PM

At the website Lumberjim posted the link to:

"For clothing, they harvested a fairly broad-leaved ground plant called flax, thinned the leaves and made fabrics and ropes from the fibres. They augmented their clothing with the skins of dogs, and hundreds, sometimes thousands, of birds feathers,"

"Men needed to be dressed in a short beard at the chin, hair done in a topknot, and a string from waist to penis. "

String? OUCH!

"There was no shortage of food - birds, insects, grubs, bats, rats, dogs, eels, fish, mussels, berries, pollen, cabbage tree roots, nikau shoots, watercress, fungi and even earthworms."

Oh, an early version of Atkins!

"Including, at one time, the now vanished Moa, a large flightless bird"

I think this is a picture of it!



Leah  Wednesday May 5 05:59 PM

Gosh, what a stunner he is. I know a few people just like him in real life, scary.



davepen  Wednesday May 5 06:09 PM

And the world just yawns...



Skunks  Wednesday May 5 07:21 PM

What's the story on the hand gestures most of the guys behind him are doing?



lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 07:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skunks
What's the story on the hand gestures most of the guys behind him are doing?
the hand signals are a very old and secret signal.....it means, " i'm leaning on my cane"


Skunks  Wednesday May 5 07:53 PM

Fair enough. But why are they all doing it the same way?



lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 08:01 PM

they're not. two of them are left hand on top, one is right hand on top. this is how you stand when you have a cane, and you're watching a maori try to look like mike singletary.



Troubleshooter  Wednesday May 5 08:36 PM

You should always take a group that ate its way up the food chain seriously.

Definitely not a demographic to piss off.



davepen  Wednesday May 5 10:03 PM

and still, the world just yawns...



Bullitt  Wednesday May 5 10:15 PM

!!

me have stick! poke you eye with big stick! you die! alalalalalalalalalala!!!!!



lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 10:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
and still, the world just yawns...
so, you're trying to be cryptic. you're on the edge of pompous, though. careful.


davepen  Wednesday May 5 10:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim

so, you're trying to be cryptic. you're on the edge of pompous, though. careful.
No. not cryptic, wake up.

The world does not give a damn.

What more do you require?


Bullitt  Wednesday May 5 10:48 PM

Ding!

Round one.... FIGHT!



davepen  Wednesday May 5 10:52 PM

Re: Ding!

Quote:
Originally posted by Bullitt
Round one.... FIGHT!
No fight here, brother. Just curiousity.


Clodfobble  Wednesday May 5 11:09 PM

No. not cryptic, wake up.

The world does not give a damn.

What more do you require?


Ok, let's put it this way: He was hoping you were being cryptic because otherwise it's an annoying statement, at least the second time around. You remind me of my little brother, who's going through a cute little phase where he feels compelled to remind everyone that "none of it matters" every few minutes.

To wit, it is extremely difficult for the entire world to give a damn in unison about any one thing. On a more realistic level, I most certainly give a damn about the Maori, and the now-extinct Moa. That picture's actually had me thinking about dinosaurs being large feathered birds all day now. And it seems several other people here have an interest in the topic too.

The angsty thing is very unbecoming. Is there anything more underneath it?



lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 11:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen


No. not cryptic, wake up.


The world does not give a damn.

What more do you require?
just wanted to know if you were saying that you don;t give a damn, or that the world doesn't ,and it bothers you. I got the hint of what you were saying the first time you said it, but when you repeated yourself, it made it seem like you were hoping for some type of reply. "didnt you see my whitty comment?"
so which is it, then? you still haven't said anything.

and if the world does not give a damn, how come it made the IOTD? i give a little bit of a damn. I'm sure some on here feel more for'em than i do. who told you the world yawns?


lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 11:13 PM

damn it clod......

....good answer



Clodfobble  Wednesday May 5 11:16 PM

I can't help it if I type faster than you do.



elSicomoro  Wednesday May 5 11:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Clodfobble
The angsty thing is very unbecoming.
"Teenage angst has paid off well...now I'm bored and old..."


davepen  Wednesday May 5 11:29 PM

Oh , man you people really do live in your own world.

I don't (and won't) give a rats ass about the Maori. I live in America and direct my welfare there...

Mewl as you will, Liberal dupes...

No apoligies.

Dave



elSicomoro  Wednesday May 5 11:36 PM

Awww...that's cute! *pats him on the head* Now go run along and play in some traffic...



davepen  Wednesday May 5 11:37 PM

That would be, apologies. My haste to contradict the left has overcome me.



lumberjim  Wednesday May 5 11:46 PM

well, aren't you just as much fun as a barrell full of monkeys?


Say something else stupid.



davepen  Wednesday May 5 11:49 PM

I'm really sleepy right now. If any of you liberal warriors want to compare degrees, mine is from Providence College/Brown University.



elSicomoro  Wednesday May 5 11:50 PM

Oooh...not just any piece of shit...an Ivy League piece of shit.



davepen  Wednesday May 5 11:59 PM

I must admit, I'm a little suprised at the 'piece of shit' label. Where does this come FROM?



Skunks  Thursday May 6 12:37 AM

Mostly it comes from a predisposition to hate people with the name "dave".



lumberjim  Thursday May 6 12:38 AM

I must admit, I'm a little surprised that such a well educated person would attempt to lump such a widely variable populous together under one political label, and simultaeneously deride said party. I'm no liberal....not that there's anything wrong with that. Nor am I republican. I could give a shit what party feels the way I do about things. I am lumberjimian.

In closing, I'd just like to say, don't be such a dick, or we'll tear your arms off and beat you with the wet ends.


And as far as living in our own little world goes......welcome to it. sit down, take a load off. ya fat bastard, your feet must be killing you.....Say, is that your head, or is your neck blowing bubbles? be honest.



scothand  Thursday May 6 12:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
Oh , man you people really do live in your own world.

I, and presumably the rest of the folks frequenting here, live in our world. The same world the Maori lives in, sinkholes eat cars, and cute animals appear on Friday.


Elspode  Thursday May 6 12:50 AM

I'm sorry, I just arrived. Is it too late for me to be insulted, condescended to or otherwise belittled by someone whose parents spent an extraordinary amount of money to get their snot nosed brat out of the house and into an Eastern college where he could learn how to put people off in five minutes or less?

I'd hate to miss out on that. Superior intellects are always so much fun, especially when they've been drinking or have forgotten to take their meds. Nothing like a good provocateur (which, I'm pretty sure, is French for "irritating little fuck") to liven up the mix.



wolf  Thursday May 6 01:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
I'm really sleepy right now. If any of you liberal warriors want to compare degrees, mine is from Providence College/Brown University.
How the hell did you manage to graduate from Brown and NOT be a raging liberal?


wolf  Thursday May 6 01:30 AM

There is a lot of ritualized posturing in Maori ceremony. There are particular stances for greeting, for confrontation, for joy, etc.

Makes it quite clear to other maori what you're on about.

Leaves everyone else clueless.

Image is everything.



jaguar  Thursday May 6 09:41 AM

Quote:
How the hell did you manage to graduate from Brown and NOT be a raging liberal?
I'm still wondering how he graduated at all.

You got the piece of shit label because you talk like an asshole, Ivy League (If I'm right that means your parents are richer than most right? I'm not very up with the US school system) asshole you may be but you can't polish a shit and expect it to shine.

There are liberals here as well as republicans, liberterians, greens, the occasional socialist type and I'm sure at least one facist, yet often we can all engage in interesting debate without resorting quite so quickly to name-slinging. Your brand rubbish spewing would be more at home on Fark.com . See I made it a nice and easy link for you to click on, run along.

As for you need of ego masterbation though such witty, suave quips, try K5.


Beestie  Thursday May 6 10:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
If any of you liberal warriors want to compare degrees, mine is from Providence College/Brown University.
Thanks for reminding me that I'm out of toilet paper. And its "mine ARE" dumbfuck.


stlbob  Thursday May 6 10:12 AM

Not that I'm trying to stop the thrashing of Dave by bringing up some totally unrelated topic ........ how is it possible that every post of his in this thread says that his total post number is 9? Interesting.



Katkeeper  Thursday May 6 10:14 AM

Compare degrees? I could match yours with a Seven Sisters degree and raise you one, having graduated Magna cum laude, and I am a "Museum Quality" Liberal.



Troubleshooter  Thursday May 6 10:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Katkeeper
I am a "Museum Quality" Liberal.
Define please.


elSicomoro  Thursday May 6 10:29 AM

In the words of one of my favorite modern philosophers, Calvin Broadus: "Niggaz who talk shit get dealt with real quick."



elSicomoro  Thursday May 6 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Katkeeper
Compare degrees? I could match yours with a Seven Sisters degree and raise you one, having graduated Magna cum laude, and I am a "Museum Quality" Liberal.
Hmmm...well, I don't have a Seven Sisters degree, but I do have a BA and graduated Magna Cum Laude myself. Oh, and I'm a sycamore liberal.


Katkeeper  Thursday May 6 10:37 AM

"Museum Quality" Liberal was a description used by Garrison Keillor when liberals were being seriously bashed. I loved it and assume it means one takes the liberal position on most issues.

And we will rise again...



Happy Monkey  Thursday May 6 10:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by stlbob
Not that I'm trying to stop the thrashing of Dave by bringing up some totally unrelated topic ........ how is it possible that every post of his in this thread says that his total post number is 9? Interesting.
At the moment, all of yours say 23. The post number is global, and not linked to the individual post.

Though putting individual post number in there could be interesting, ie "Post 503 of 984".


davepen  Thursday May 6 11:00 AM

An apology

So, at first I'm thinking: why am I getting all these goddamned emails?

When I finally click on the link, it brings me here.

My laptop has been in the possession of a co-worker for the past several days and apparently this is his idea of a joke. Although it's mildly amusing, I don't share his sense of humor.

Please accept my apologies for this.

David



jdbutler  Thursday May 6 11:03 AM

"And do you know why I'll be the last liberal standing? Because I'll have a motherfucking gun!"

But, Lady Syc, do you have enough clips? "So many assholes, too few bullets". (Claymore mines are excellent also!)




wolf  Thursday May 6 11:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Beestie
Thanks for reminding me that I'm out of toilet paper. And its "mine ARE" dumbfuck.
Only if he has more than one degree. If he trasferred from Providence to Brown, "is" would be correct.


Beestie  Thursday May 6 11:09 AM

Ouch. Hate it when that happens. The only good thing about getting punk'd is the [payback I/payback I]

Let us know how it goes



wolf  Thursday May 6 11:27 AM

I think that he got his ass smacked, knows he is outclassed, and wishes to retire from the field somewhat gracefully. This would be a skill leaned in an Eastern Ivy League School.

"My friend did something unauthorized on the laptop I lent him" is the internet version of SODDI. ("Some Other Dude Did It.")



lumberjim  Thursday May 6 11:34 AM

Re: An apology

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
So, at first I'm thinking: why am I getting all these goddamned emails?

When I finally click on the link, it brings me here.

My laptop has been in the possession of a co-worker for the past several days and apparently this is his idea of a joke. Although it's mildly amusing, I don't share his sense of humor.

Please accept my apologies for this.

David
SO you're saying your screen name was possessed by someone else?

i have to think about whether or not i'm buying that. on one hand, i could see it happening, but then, i could also see this as a duck and cover reaction to the group's vitriol.

i guess i'll give you the benefit of the doubt because the earlier posts you made were relatively normal.


Beestie  Thursday May 6 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wolf Only if he has more than one degree. If he trasferred from Providence to Brown, "is" would be correct.
I assumed that (s)he meant undergrad/grad. Had (s)he but one degree, there wouldn't be much point in including the Providence reference especially given the context.

If someone is showing off how much smarter they are then the rest of us then its always a good idea not to fuck up their Ivy League English in the process.

And lighten up with the grammar Nazi callouts. I've made four grammar correction posts in the last few days - the first ever such posts from me since I joined the Cellar. Three were clearly a joke (a friendly jab at LJ and two at Paranoid) that no one should have taken seriously and one (in this thread) that was well deserved.


lumberjim  Thursday May 6 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Beestie
(a friendly jab at LJ
yeah, but you enjoyed it. be honest. it was very enlightening, btw, and gave me flashbacks of mrs Jones from 8th grade. i hated that bitch. fucking red pen weilding powertripping, half stack, pint sized, evil little twat. " Mr Helm, if you can't keep focused, you'll need to sit right up here in front......"


mmmmbacon  Thursday May 6 11:46 AM

Anyone see the movie Whalerider? It's the first thing I thought of when I saw this Maori dude.



wolf  Thursday May 6 11:58 AM

I thought of a couple movies ... Once Were Warriors, and another one I saw at the UofP International House ... The Storehouse (Te Rua).

(aside: While looking for info on the one movie, I found this. It really has been translated into every language, hasn't it ...)



jdbutler  Thursday May 6 12:16 PM

Re: Re: An apology

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim


i guess i'll give you the benefit of the doubt because the earlier posts you made were relatively normal.

I agree, give the guy a break, I believe his ass is sore enough already. (Talk about an immediate gang-bang!)


Happy Monkey  Thursday May 6 12:26 PM

Re: Re: An apology

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim
i guess i'll give you the benefit of the doubt because the earlier posts you made were relatively normal.
He only made one earlier post. But, yeah. Benefit of doubt until the next offence.


Turtleknee  Thursday May 6 12:31 PM

What can Brown do for you?



jaguar  Thursday May 6 12:36 PM

awwwww that was getting fun, even if it was shooting fish in a barrel.



MAdMoNKEY  Thursday May 6 01:27 PM

I went to Brown, but all I have to show for it is this ugly t-shirt.



Katkeeper  Thursday May 6 03:49 PM

Ugly, brown t-shirt?



Elspode  Thursday May 6 05:44 PM

Re: Re: Re: An apology

Quote:
Originally posted by jdbutler
I(Talk about an immediate gang-bang!)
That's what happens when you walk into The Cellar with your pants around your knees and your bum all greased up.

If his tale is true, I hope he beats the joker over the head with his laptop.


lumberjim  Thursday May 6 05:48 PM

I somehow doubt that davepen takes it as seriously as we seem to. it wasnt a huge transgression, after all. just a little attitude.

davepen, invite your friend to create his own account, so we can have a proper argument with him.

and did you really go to brown, or was he making that up too?



lumberjim  Thursday May 6 05:49 PM

the cellar dwellars are apparently hungry for a good flame fest.


hey jaguar! i've been meaning to take you out back and rough you up a bit.....you game? nancy?



elSicomoro  Thursday May 6 09:07 PM

Hey, stoopid, ain't you got some sauerkraut-burners to pawn off on people?



jaguar  Friday May 7 12:24 AM

/puts hat on backwards
bring it on biatch



lumberjim  Friday May 7 01:41 AM

ok. i think you actually live right here in america. And you ENJOY it.



DanaC  Friday May 7 06:47 AM

Jaguar......is it true? Are you a closet American?



hollyoake  Friday May 7 07:54 AM

i can imagine life to be quite entertaining if this sort of thing is a regular occurence...



BrianR  Friday May 7 09:17 AM

Yep. Happens all the time...



MAdMoNKEY  Friday May 7 11:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Katkeeper
Ugly, brown t-shirt?
It was white when I got it...


jaguar  Friday May 7 02:14 PM

I think you're really french.



jdbutler  Friday May 7 02:19 PM

Whats with the "VD" thing over the "bite me" note?



jaguar  Friday May 7 02:20 PM

VD is the top half of the numberplates of the Swiss Canton of Vaudoise which is where I live.



jdbutler  Friday May 7 02:22 PM

Oh...excuse my gutter mind.



jaguar  Friday May 7 02:23 PM

In Switzerland it's illegal not to list your STDs on your numberplate



lumberjim  Friday May 7 03:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jaguar
I think you're really french.
oh, c'mon, jag. You'll need to be more creative and original if we're going to do this properly. Maybe you should take a remedial flame war course first? I can't carry the whole thing if your heart isn't in it. That's just abuse. Should I pick on someone my own size?


jaguar  Friday May 7 03:33 PM

True, that was fairly second rate, picking on someone your own size might involve farmyard animals though you fatassed halfwitted american with a tenuous grip on the concept of grammar who is in no position to criticize his peers on the better side of the atlantic. Hell you probably even use windows.



jdbutler  Friday May 7 03:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jaguar
you fatassed halfwitted american . [/b]

Hey, we're proud to be American! Even tho' some may be fat-assed, there are not many half-wits in the cellar, with the exception of paranoid, of course.


jaguar  Friday May 7 04:02 PM

you're right, i'm starting to wonder if my heart is really in this.



elSicomoro  Friday May 7 05:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jdbutler
Even tho' some may be fat-assed, there are not many half-wits in the cellar, with the exception of paranoid, of course.
Oh, there are plenty of half-wits here. Just stick around awhile.


DanaC  Friday May 7 05:25 PM

Yeah ....Hi



lumberjim  Friday May 7 10:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jaguar
you're right, i'm starting to wonder if my heart is really in this.
yeah, the last one was a good one, but i guess if there;s nothing to fight about, it just seems contrived, you winkie smoker.


Elspode  Saturday May 8 01:27 AM

Oh, fuck it...just let it drop. Save it for when you really need it. Think of it as conserving your insult/sarcasm/humor/flame chi.



davepen  Saturday May 8 01:58 AM

Re: Re: An apology

Quote:
Originally posted by lumberjim


SO you're saying your screen name was possessed by someone else?

i have to think about whether or not i'm buying that. on one hand, i could see it happening, but then, i could also see this as a duck and cover reaction to the group's vitriol.

i guess i'll give you the benefit of the doubt because the earlier posts you made were relatively normal.

Screen name? I've never been to this site in my life. Were it not for all the emails notifying me of my posts, I would not have known this site even exists.

Furthermore, *I* didn't make any earlier posts.


zippyt  Saturday May 8 02:09 AM

Furthermore, *I* didn't make any earlier posts.

who was it then , the mouse in your pocket ????



davepen  Saturday May 8 02:31 AM

I've already apologized to you community about what took place.

I don't know any of you, and while I am sorry about this working eveyone into a frenzy, frankly I don't care what you think.

This actually had nothing to do with my departmental laptop, or me, as anyone can subscribe to this site and post whatever they want...specify a username and email address and off you go.

It just so happens in this case, my 'friend' utilized extremely poor judgement and used my email address as a poor attempt at humor.

He already knows this was a poor judgement call, and because he works for me, will realize this for some time to come.

To whomever your webmaster is--please delete this account.

Thanks.



jaguar  Saturday May 8 03:01 AM

Problem solved I guess, UT, do as the man says =D

Two questions remain though: How did he know the password and how did the account get activated.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday May 8 07:36 AM

The laptop would log him in automatically, wouldn't it?

Quote:
It just so happens in this case, my 'friend' utilized extremely poor judgement and used my email address as a poor attempt at humor.
Quote:
He already knows this was a poor judgement call, and because he works for me, will realize this for some time to come.
Sounds to me, like this poor schmuck is in deep doo-doo.
Ahhh, the power of the Cellar.


jdbutler  Saturday May 8 05:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
I've already apologized to you community about what took place.



To whomever your webmaster is--please delete this account.

Thanks.
You are a "Soont"... A slur refering to the above poster using a soft "C" so as to to be politically correct and not offend anyone.


lumberjim  Saturday May 8 06:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by davepen
I've already apologized to you community about what took place.

I don't know any of you, and while I am sorry about this working eveyone into a frenzy, frankly I don't care what you think.

This actually had nothing to do with my departmental laptop, or me, as anyone can subscribe to this site and post whatever they want...specify a username and email address and off you go.

It just so happens in this case, my 'friend' utilized extremely poor judgement and used my email address as a poor attempt at humor.

He already knows this was a poor judgement call, and because he works for me, will realize this for some time to come.

To whomever your webmaster is--please delete this account.

Thanks.
well, if it was this "coworker" that created the account, it's him we're talking to, and you're just some confused putz whose email he pilfered. feel free to bugger off.

as for the "coworker"......c'mon, bitch. set up your own account and lets throw down. we can talk about liberals and what not.

or are you chiiiicken?

bwawk.


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday May 8 07:12 PM

No, no, Jim. The coworker sets up the account using this guys email and the department laptop. He also sets it up so when everytime anyone posts to that thread it triggers an email to the laptop. Then he makes a couple smartass posts and gives the laptop back to his boss.

Naw, kick his ass, Jim.



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday May 8 07:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Katkeeper
"Museum Quality" Liberal was a description used by Garrison Keillor when liberals were being seriously bashed. I loved it and assume it means one takes the liberal position on most issues.

And we will rise again...
Doesn't "Museum Quality" mean the best of it's kind to be found? You qualify.


Katkeeper  Sunday May 9 06:09 AM

I like your take on "Museum Quality". Thanks! I am Museum Quality but not Knee Jerk.



jaguar  Sunday May 9 06:13 AM

Christ LJ you're like a soccer hooligan at closing time.



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