Undertoad Tuesday Jul 27 03:41 PM
7/27/2004: PETA love-in for vegetarianism
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 03:48 PM
Why did you post the link to the whole story?
jaguar Tuesday Jul 27 03:49 PM
I really, really don't get PETA. That guy's haircut makes him look like a recently deserted marine.
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 03:53 PM
His boyfriend likes it that way.
DanaC Tuesday Jul 27 03:57 PM
"There's nothing wrong with peta that a case of ammunition wouldn't solve"
Happy Monkey Tuesday Jul 27 04:01 PM
I would like to support protests of this nature.
lumberjim Tuesday Jul 27 04:08 PM
looks like smoothmoniker was in on it:
DanaC Tuesday Jul 27 04:16 PM
Clearly I am fighting for the wrong causes.......
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 04:30 PM
By Brian Carnell
Sunday, May 14, 2000
"We feel that animals have the same rights as retarded children."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA, New York Times, January 14, 1989.
"The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration."
-Michael W. Fox, Vice President, The Human Society of the United States, The Inhumane Society, New York, 1990.
Regan when asked which he would save, a dog or a baby, if a boat capsized in the ocean: "If it were a retarded baby and a bright dog, I'd save the dog."
-Tom Regan, Q&A session following a speech, University of Wisconsin-Madison, October 27, 1989.
"To those people who say, `My father is alive because of animal experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off."
- Bill Maher, PETA celebrity spokesman
"If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any difference to me."
-Chris De Rose, Director, Last Chance for Animals
"An animal experiment cannot be justifiable unless the experiment is so important that the use of a brain-damaged human would be justifiable."
-Peter Singer, Animal Liberation: A New Ethic for Our Treatment of Animals, 2nd. edition, 1990.
"If abandoning animal research means that there are some things we cannot learn, then so be it ... We have no basic right ... not to be harmed by those natural diseases we are heir to."
-Tom Regan, The Case for Animal Rights, 1983
"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, The Washington Post, November 13, 1983.
"I don’t use the word "pet." I think it’s speciesist language. I prefer "companion animal." For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship – enjoyment at a distance."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA vice-president, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.
"It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be ending the concept of pet ownership."
-Elliot Katz, President, In Defense of Animals, "In Defense of Animals," Spring 1997
"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles -- from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it."
-John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic, PETA, 1982, p.15.
"The cat, like the dog, must disappear..... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."
-John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.
"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993
"You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.
"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986
"One day we would like an end to pet shops and breeding animals [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild."
-Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990
"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA
"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997
"Get arrested. Destroy the property of those who torture animals. Liberate those animals interned in the hellholes our society tolerates."
Jerry Vlasak, Animal Defense League, Internet post to AR Views list, June 21, 1996
"We have found that civil disobedience and direction action has been powerful in generating massive attention in our communities ... and has been very effective in traumatizing our targets."
-J.P. Goodwin, Committee to Abolish the Fur Trade, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997.
"In a war you have to take up arms and people will get killed, and I can support that kind of action by petrol bombing and bombs under cars, and probably at a later stage, the shooting of vivisectors on their doorsteps. It's a war, and there's no other way you can stop vivisectors."
-Tim Daley, British Animal Liberation Front Leader
"If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong."
-Ingrid Newkirk, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
© Copyright 1998-2002 by Brian Carnell. All rights reserved.
lookout123 Tuesday Jul 27 04:36 PM
all this time i just thought PETA was just silly... now it turns out that they are just plain f*!ked up.
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 04:38 PM
Now I ask you, what exactly were they smoking to think they stood a chance of accomplishing that?
jaguar Tuesday Jul 27 04:59 PM
How was he planning on doing that, pickaxe? Asking nicely?
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 05:02 PM
I'm not sure that they eve noticed the guy with the M16 on the bridge.
I wonder how he planned to deal with the two shotguns and the pistol that were deployed at the bottom of the ladder, the only entrance?
Fast attack boats are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, do you really think he would have made it off of the boat in one piece?
DanaC Tuesday Jul 27 05:08 PM
Oh good lord.....I mean....I am pretty far left on this issue but that's just fucked up
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 05:15 PM
Here's a view of the way down that they would have had to go to meet the greeting crew.
Undertoad Tuesday Jul 27 05:23 PM
In other words, balls first - ensuring that if he made it to the ladder, he would not in fact have children even if he did survive. Good 'un TS, thanks for the shot.
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 05:27 PM
Thanks, there's a lot of gee-whiz factor to tooling around the ocean in a 2 billion dollar go-buggy.
I know how you are about your IoTD and QI shots, so here are some good shots of an improved version of the boat I was on.
Fast and black and never come back...
smoothmoniker Tuesday Jul 27 05:52 PM
kickass! I've finally made it ... LJ photoshopped me! That's going straight on the old resume' ...
Pie Tuesday Jul 27 06:09 PM
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 06:13 PM
Yeah, those monkeys are really only fit for the target range.
DanaC Tuesday Jul 27 06:15 PM
Troubleshooter Tuesday Jul 27 06:18 PM
That last part was a bit much. Anybody that blase needs help.
DanaC Tuesday Jul 27 06:20 PM
In all fairness to Robert newman he is a stand up comedian and that was a joke I filched from his act But it would have ruined the mpay off if I'd said that at the start
Stonan Tuesday Jul 27 07:35 PM
I thought vegetarians weren't allowed to eat meat
dar512 Tuesday Jul 27 08:07 PM
Let my vegetables go.
ladysycamore Tuesday Jul 27 08:42 PM
[quote]"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind."
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Jul 27 11:51 PM
I should the public would be shocked at that demonstration. I mean public display of assholes is a little much.
wolf Wednesday Jul 28 02:29 AM
I think that they should issue tags for PETA members, just in case one accidentally gets in between you and a deer.
hermex Wednesday Jul 28 03:53 AM
I am organizing a counter-protest publicity stunt on the other side of the street, "Donkey Show for Eating More Meat"
jaguar Wednesday Jul 28 03:58 AM
Greenpeace does some fairly crazy stuff but I doubt they'd try and board a nuclear sub.
wolf Wednesday Jul 28 04:08 AM
Cyber Wolf Wednesday Jul 28 08:47 AM
On the whole meat is murder issue...
jaguar Wednesday Jul 28 09:05 AM
Bit of a difference between a peaceful protest and boarding with the intention to sink wolf.
Troubleshooter Wednesday Jul 28 09:08 AM
Troubleshooter Wednesday Jul 28 09:16 AM
jaguar Wednesday Jul 28 09:17 AM
because killing journos and sinking a private boat protesting that oh-so-defenceable activity of irradiating the pacific is a defenceable act.
Troubleshooter Wednesday Jul 28 09:21 AM
Nuclear waste is bad, no doubt. What's the word on renewed radioactive fuels these days by the way?
jdbutler Wednesday Jul 28 09:50 AM
When they finish, will it be "P.E.T.A. bred"?
Undertoad Wednesday Jul 28 09:56 AM
Where's the smiley for groan.
dar512 Wednesday Jul 28 10:58 AM
Here you go:
elf Wednesday Jul 28 11:05 AM
I was amused:
jdbutler Wednesday Jul 28 11:33 AM
Cyber Wolf Wednesday Jul 28 11:59 AM
What's funny is that people are actually feeding their carnivorous animals a strict vegetarian diet. I believe there's even dog and cat feed out there for that purpose. Granted, dogs and cats will eat grass and nibble greenery but it's for helping to clear out the GI tract, not for food. It's like a human eating nothing but Metamucil or FiberCon and calling it food.
Catwoman Wednesday Jul 28 12:05 PM
They are fucked up though.
Troubleshooter Wednesday Jul 28 12:09 PM
Is there a moderate/centrist environmental group out there?
jaguar Wednesday Jul 28 12:29 PM
Depends where you stand really. I mean there are still people that refuse to believe global warming is possible, despite the overwhelming scientific evidence and then those who just think we can turn up the aircon. Tell that to a farmer who's land is being overrun by the Gobi desert or a citizen of the maldives.
Troubleshooter Wednesday Jul 28 12:41 PM
How much does Greenpeace and PETA actually accomplish? Net gain, don't pick and choose.
As teh world grows more and more populated, credibility, the ability to overcome popular opinion to achieve an end, becomes more and more important.
Troubleshooter Wednesday Jul 28 12:43 PM
The middle is where the results come from.
wolf Wednesday Jul 28 02:16 PM
wolf Wednesday Jul 28 02:30 PM
Happy Monkey Wednesday Jul 28 02:38 PM
Some anti-immigration groups recently failed in a hostile takeover attempt on the Sierra Club, under the guise of "immigration causes overpopulation, which is bad for the environmnt."
wolf Wednesday Jul 28 02:48 PM
Damn, if that had succeeded I would have had to reinitiate my membership. (yes, I've been a member of all of the organizations discussed at one point in time or another. I have many totebags.)
dar512 Wednesday Jul 28 05:13 PM
That document leads me to believe that there are a number of folks running loose who really ought to be visiting Wolf.