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   Undertoad  Wednesday Nov 3 12:52 PM

11/3/2004: Eagle helicopter



busterb sends along this set, which apparently is an Mi-24 flying in Afghanistan these days. He says the images have been going around, but I haven't seen 'em yet, so maybe you haven't either. Very nice!






JR365  Wednesday Nov 3 02:06 PM

I doubt there would be any operating hinds left in afghanistan, let alone one as spiffy as this one. I'm sure our boys wouldnt be flying in an old communist bloc aircraft anyways. By the looks of the insignia on the tail, i would guess eastern european. By the looks of the terrain and buildings, i would guess somewhere far from afghanistan.

Either way, cool pics.



busterb  Wednesday Nov 3 03:42 PM

Spot on JR365.Here



Cyber Wolf  Wednesday Nov 3 04:11 PM

Quite a nice paintjob. Good to see my tax dollars are making sure the weapons they use to protect ME way over here look damn good in the process. Though, I think it resembles a falcon or kite more than it does an eagle. Or maybe it could be the golden eagle but it's certainly not a bald eagle...unless you count the 'bald' part as where the cockpit is. Hmm...now I want painted wolf fur on my car.



Undertoad  Wednesday Nov 3 05:00 PM

Hungarian tax dollars.



Uryoces  Wednesday Nov 3 05:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf
Quite a nice paintjob. Good to see my tax dollars are making sure the weapons they use to protect ME way over here look damn good in the process. Though, I think it resembles a falcon or kite more than it does an eagle. Or maybe it could be the golden eagle but it's certainly not a bald eagle...unless you count the 'bald' part as where the cockpit is. Hmm...now I want painted wolf fur on my car.
The $600 Allen wrenches would bug me more than the $200 of paint. By the way, the US operates the largest collection of Hinds, even taking into account Russia.


capnhowdy  Wednesday Nov 3 06:33 PM

Knowing that this is a "showcraft", my attention was drawn to the right landing gear. Are these guns? If they are I'm sure they're props. I can't be the only cellarite that noticed it. Of course, in lots of other countries you may need artillery to go to an airshow...................
Very interesting. Excellent images.
Almost looks like there were modifications to the body of the aircraft as well as the great paint job.



ferkelparade  Wednesday Nov 3 06:47 PM

Nope, these aren't guns, these are just the outlying racks where rockets/heavy guns/other fun stuff can be mounted...look at this closeup:



pegusitas  Wednesday Nov 3 11:11 PM

saw it on snopes

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/eaglecopter.asp



richlevy  Wednesday Nov 3 11:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uryoces
The $600 Allen wrenches would bug me more than the $200 of paint. By the way, the US operates the largest collection of Hinds, even taking into account Russia.
Why?


Cyber Wolf  Thursday Nov 4 07:52 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uryoces
The $600 Allen wrenches would bug me more than the $200 of paint. By the way, the US operates the largest collection of Hinds, even taking into account Russia.
They both bug me, but $200 for a paint job makes more sense as far as pricing than a $600 wrench. No wrench should be work than unless it was make of solid gold and then it'd be all but useless.


Uryoces  Thursday Nov 4 05:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by richlevy
Why?
Why Allen wrenches or why the Hind Helicopter group?

Allen Wrenches: More a figure I pulled out of my ass as a matter of comparison.
i.e. The paintjob doesn't bother me. Neat.

Hind Helicopters: I know for Aggressor squadron training for one reason. Due tothe number here in the US, we have the largest Hind-24 fleet in the world.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Nov 4 06:49 PM

The $200 Allen wrench, $600 hammer and $900 toilet seat are expensive for a very good reason. Mil Spec, shorthand for Military Specification.

Letís say we want to add a little bracket to a helicopter. Just a 1Ē x 1Ē x 4Ē piece of angle aluminum thatís 1/8th of an inch thick. Simple? Hell no!
After we draw a picture of what it looks like and where it goes, the Army must approve it.
First the piece of angle; Who made the aluminum and when; who cut off the piece we are using and when; who/when heat treated it; who/when tested the results of heat treat; who/when alodized it with what chemicals, from what batch, made by whom/when, under what contract was the alodine transferred to the aplicator. All the same info for the primer and again for the paint.
Then we come to who/when, under what contract, drilled the holes; who/when inspected the piece; who/when applied the sealant (and the same info for the sealant as the paint); who/when riveted it (and the whole history of the rivets); who/when inspected it for the company and same for the Army.
Now take this reams of information, organize it in a specified manner, and keep it forever.
Boeing has a record of every part I machined in 1966 and what ship it was used on.
Thatís why everything is so damn expensive, the paperwork.
Just to buy a copy of the Mil Specs would cost thousands and thousands of $.



Brown Thrasher  Thursday Nov 4 07:53 PM

[quote=capnhowdy]Knowing that this is a "showcraft", my attention was drawn to the right landing gear. Are these guns? If they are I'm sure they're props. I can't be the only cellarite that noticed it. Of course, in lots of other countries you may need artillery to go to an airshow...................
Very interesting. Excellent images.
Almost looks like there were modifications to the body of the aircraft as well as the great paint job.

Sir, I Can't be sure those or props. However, I am not an expert on weapontry of any kind; Except, an M16 I was engaged to take apart clean an reassemble at leat thee times per week while serving in the military. Although, in my humble opinion, this country may need much more than artillery on a terribly painted aircraft at airshows in the future. Don't get me wrong. I think our proud county is one of courage, fear, and the will to succed. But to suceed we must realize that to suceed; listening possibly is the answer . The rivers shall run the wind will blow...........I know this may sound silly or even somehow politically incorrect, but to me we are not threatned by intellect but the unwiilingness to reflect...............



Cyber Wolf  Friday Nov 5 07:52 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
The $200 Allen wrench, $600 hammer and $900 toilet seat are expensive for a very good reason. Mil Spec, shorthand for Military Specification.

Letís say we want to add a little bracket to a helicopter.
...
Thatís why everything is so damn expensive, the paperwork.
Just to buy a copy of the Mil Specs would cost thousands and thousands of $.
Well considering the way our boys are over in Iraq now soldering scrap metal to their Mil Spec vehicles for added protection, I'm inclined to say 'Bollocks!" to all that. Hey, who knows...maybe they've got Mil Spec blowtorches over there, costing a couple of car payments apiece over there. Or perhaps the scrap metal is Mil Spec Scrap Metal©


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Nov 5 07:46 PM

Quote:
The rivers shall run the wind will blow...........I know this may sound silly or even somehow politically incorrect, but to me we are not threatned by intellect but the unwiilingness to reflect...............
That's as clear as mud, but it covers the ground.


onetrack  Saturday Nov 6 01:46 AM

Quote:
Boeing has a record of every part I machined in 1966 and what ship it was used on
Bruce - That makes me feel real comfortable .. knowing that, when the wing drops off the 747, I'm flying in .. the investigators who pick over my remains, will be able to put down .. on another hundred reams of paper .. just WHY that wing fell off .. and WHO was responsible ..

Another oxymoron .. would have to be, in the U.S. military system of recording EVERY part, EVERY supplier, EVERY quality angle, and EVERY repair .. only to put the chopper into the sky .. to then have it blasted into scrap .. by a $500 shoulder-launched RPG .. probably built in a backyard foundry in Farkeruppestan .. by an illiterate radical fundamentalist ..

Ye-e-s, technology works .. but how little it takes .. to make it all fail ..


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Nov 6 06:08 AM

If the wing of your 747 falls off and they find out a part is at fault, they can quickly locate all the planes that have parts from the same batch.

I suspect the Mil Spec system grew out of the military desire for orderly sameness, the ability to get the same thing from numerous suppliers, and be assured "the lowest bidder" isn't cutting corners. But of course, like anything the gumint does, it grew like topsy.
It's like "Mothers against drunk drivers", if you criticize any aspect of their dogma, you're labeled a heretic that doesn't support the troops.
The military is getting savy to the fact that by going through the lengthy process they won't get the latest and greatest. This has become an issue as they rely on more high tech materials and electronics. Some military aircraft are going with electronics used in commercial planes. That is for non-weapons systems of course.



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