Undertoad Monday Dec 17 02:35 PM
12/17: Busted-up Afghan van
dave Monday Dec 17 02:37 PM
I saw this - was it from MSNBC? I forget. Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny too - said he was off taking a bathroom break or something. Lucky guy and he looks happy enough
alleycat Monday Dec 17 02:41 PM
somehow, it's sort of a charming picture.
dave Monday Dec 17 03:09 PM
Yep. That's why I was thinking of posting it on Friday. Then the shaved Kangaroo just got to me, and I desisted.
MaggieL Monday Dec 17 03:34 PM
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I'm having trouble beliving that van was hit by a mortar. The headliner isn't burned...in fact *none* of it shows any signs I see of scorching. It just doesn't *look* like there's been an explosion, it looks more like it was run into the archetypical immovable object at an oblique angle and at about the height of the windowsill....or had an similarly situated but moving object run into it. Like maybe part of a big truck, or a tank or BTU perhaps? Look how the roof is crumpled; that was pushed back, not blown away.
ndetroit Monday Dec 17 05:04 PM
I suppose tho that if it rained, it would wash away all the muck and dust and ash that the seats and whatnot would be covered in from an explosion.
Whit Monday Dec 17 05:08 PM
I've got to agree with MaggieL here. I mean look at the body damage behind the driver door. How would an explosion damage that if it didn't destroy the axle? If I was to guess without any other info I'd say something hit highfront driver side. I realise the angle is limited but how could a mortar possibly do such limited damge across such a wide area? There's even glass farther back above the area the body is buckled. I suppose it's possible but I'm not buying it without a source I trust.
warch Monday Dec 17 05:12 PM
Maybe it was hit by something hit by a mortar...
MaggieL Monday Dec 17 05:22 PM
Besides, "war torn van" is something I'd expect to see on the menu of a German-Chinese restauraunt. You, know, "Half an hour later you're hungry for power"?
warch Monday Dec 17 05:25 PM
dave Monday Dec 17 05:38 PM
alleycat Monday Dec 17 06:06 PM
but then again, some shells are duds. (many? anybody know?)
not so much to argue the point, but looking at the damage, i could imagine it being a dud coming in at a fairly shallow angle from driver's side top front and out lower/middle back of the passenger side door.
otherwise, assuming an impact with some stationary object, it's kind of difficult to explain other stuff, including but not limited to:
- why there wouldn't be a major "driver stain" on the driver's seat
- why the passenger side window post is still standing, but everything between it and the driver's side is gone
- why, if that's the case, is the steering wheel and driver's seat undamaged
one finds oneself idly constructing an arbitrarily complex fixed object for it to have hit that explains it all.
but i don't really care... just thought i'd toss out some possibilities, for fun, like. i like the photo anyway.
Undertoad Monday Dec 17 06:10 PM
Or it could just be my bad memory. The AP caption says he was hit by "an airstrike" which tells us... nothing.
MaggieL Monday Dec 17 06:53 PM
Tell you what, Dham, if she and I get involved, maybe we'll let you...uh...warch.
hee hee hee hee hee
"When Mom and Dad asked little Jimmy what he wanted for Christmas, he said 'I wanna watch'....so they let him."
Joe Tuesday Dec 18 01:11 PM
I'm for the collision theory
It appears as if the major structures of the van have been pushed back and then down, which would follow from a windshield-level hit.
Joe Tuesday Dec 18 01:14 PM
and one last thing...
The floor of the van is actually pushed UP in the supposed blast area. How does a bomb do that?
modernhamlet Tuesday Dec 18 03:34 PM
Looks like a...
warch Tuesday Dec 18 03:52 PM
I believe there is a second shooter.
MaggieL Tuesday Dec 18 09:47 PM
russotto Wednesday Dec 19 04:19 PM
I think among other things the van rolled onto the passenger side and was righted. Might have been a near miss, might have been a hit with a solid (nonexploding) object, might have been an ordinary collision.
Whit Wednesday Dec 19 05:09 PM
So, does anyone still believe the mortar story? Just curious.
Griff Wednesday Dec 19 07:18 PM
The press says magic mortar, I believe magic mortar. Say has that guy got a mustard stain...
Bitman Wednesday Dec 19 08:50 PM
Given the cause of the wars over there, perhaps greasy knoll is more apt. But thing I'm most curious about is -- is that even his van? For some reason, I get the impression that someone else had the accident; then these guys found the van and drove it away.
Undertoad Friday Dec 21 12:46 AM
I found a picture of the same van from the front.
MaggieL Friday Dec 21 12:32 PM
Thanks to Tony for finding the second photo. The shredding of the passenger-side grille area looks a bit more like a mortar or RPG hit. Still nothing that looks scorched, though. I wonder if somebody was driving rapidly *away* from a mortar barrage and ran it into a rock overhang in the mountains? I know there's no moutains in the pic, but I saw film of a van crossing into Pakistan that we were told had plates on it from Mazar e Sharif.
Maybe thr roof work was done by "Omar's Sunroofs"?
russotto Friday Dec 21 01:20 PM