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   Undertoad  Thursday Feb 17 08:19 AM

2/17/2005: Live deer and dead deer lock horns



Wuh-oh. xoxoxoBruce sends along a crazy series here: a live deer and a dead deer with locked horns in Oregon. They shot the horn off the dead deer with a pistol to free the live one.The live one continued to fight with the dead one and charged the truck! This happened over the 2004 Thanksgiving weekend.




Trilby  Thursday Feb 17 09:28 AM

Um...yuck?



magilla  Thursday Feb 17 09:54 AM

There's something really off about that. A deer is not going to start doing the dominance thing with a dead deer. On top of that, it is really really rare for antlers to get locked up so badly the deer cannot disengage. I have a feeling this pair was seen by hunters who plugged one of them. As the animal fell, or twisted, or jumped, the antlers became locked.

By the way, I am not saying the hunters did anything wrong, if that's indeed what happened. I myself used to hunt, and I probably would have taken one too

Hmmm. A couple observations. I went to Oregon State, and the soil in parts of the Coast Range there is almost unique- it's an odd type of clay, and the soil in the photos has that look to it. But it's awfully dry for Thanksgiving. And something that contradicts my hunter theory- the guy in the photo does not look like he's dressed for deer season. Just tack it up on the "Life's Little Mysteries" bulletin board, I guess.



xant  Thursday Feb 17 12:35 PM

Hunter theory

I kind of buy the hunter theory. Just because the guy wasn't dressed for hunting season doesn't mean there wasn't someone out there with a gun.. hunting outside of hunting season. Perhaps the blue shirt guy was already nearby and the hunter freaked out when they realized they might get caught.

Furthermore, deer get the urge to lock horns during mating season most commonly. I would expect hunting season to be timed not to coincide with mating season, which leads me to believe in the "freak out" theory.



Kitsune  Thursday Feb 17 01:11 PM

What a live deer does with a dead one is odd, but it has nothing on a live versus dead mallard.

To truly appreciate this, you have to read the full study in PDF form.



mrnoodle  Thursday Feb 17 02:42 PM

That dead deer has been dead for at least a day, I'd guess. notice all the hair sloughing off in the road.

The live one is looking kinda fluffy himself, and doesn't have the patches of hair worn off, indicating a late fall timeframe - pre-rut, but just starting to feel feisty. Also, notice the dead underbrush, but the kind of tacky mud texture of the dirt. Like it was a dry season, but had rained in the last week or so. What was the weather like in Oregon this year?

Oregon's hunting season starts as early as August 10 for archery, with concurrent rifle hunting going on in certain areas. It runs off and on through December, so there's plenty of legal hunting time this could've happened in.

There's also the option that the deer broke its neck during the fight. Mule deer have something like a 10% serious injury/death rate in males solely from fighting.



Elspode  Thursday Feb 17 02:43 PM

Deer get hornlocked in combat. The one could have died in the course of being locked up with the other.

I knew a guy who found interlocked, dead deer skulls while hunting one year. I even heard tell once of a deer who was seen wandering around with another deer's rack entangled in his own, sans his opposite deer.



jinx  Thursday Feb 17 03:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune
What a live deer does with a dead one is odd, but it has nothing on a live versus dead mallard.
Oh man. Ducks are nasty little fuckers.


lookout123  Thursday Feb 17 03:17 PM

wow. i was thinking today was friday. my first thought was that THIS IS NOT A HAPPY ANIMAL PICTURE! for just a second i thought Tony had gone off the deep end. then i realized i was on the wrong day again.



polar  Thursday Feb 17 07:32 PM

That's not actually a dead moose. It's the Berkowitzs



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Feb 17 09:03 PM

I've seen dozens of sets of locked antlers (sans animals) in stores, museums and tourist-ty places. It's the sort of thing that when you run across one in the woods, you just can't Leave it there.
Warm dry weather in the northwest this year. The ski resorts have shut down. Even southern Alaska has been up near freezing much of this year.

Polar, that went right over my head???



polar  Friday Feb 18 05:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Polar, that went right over my head???
Woody Allen's Dead Moose sketch. It's on Snopes here if you scroll down


Undertoad  Friday Feb 18 08:46 AM

Being a comedy fan, a stand-up fan, a vintage comedy fan, a vintage stand-up fan, who owns the Woody Allen double album (on vinyl!) stand-up routine which contains that bit and who has played it on the radio, I did not remember the reference and thereby pronounce it Extremely Obscure™.



chrisinhouston  Friday Feb 18 12:10 PM

Somehow I think I'd have more then a shovel if I was that close!



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Feb 18 08:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by polar
Woody Allen's Dead Moose sketch. It's on Snopes here if you scroll down
Oh, thoooose Berkowitzs.
Thanks polar, that's a great routine.


York  Saturday Feb 19 11:19 AM

It was the first time that the deer won a fight...he just couldnt let go the feeling....



missjenmarie  Thursday Apr 2 08:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Oh, thoooose Berkowitzs.
Thanks polar, that's a great routine.
xoxoxobruce,
i know you posted the live deer dragging the dead deer picture a long time ago, but i am using it in a painting, and was wondering if you had any hi-resolution images of the second image (pic00782.jpg) Please write me back at missjenmarie@gmail.com at your SOONest convenience. thank you.
jm
painter


Tiki  Thursday Apr 2 09:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by magilla View Post
There's something really off about that. A deer is not going to start doing the dominance thing with a dead deer. On top of that, it is really really rare for antlers to get locked up so badly the deer cannot disengage. I have a feeling this pair was seen by hunters who plugged one of them. As the animal fell, or twisted, or jumped, the antlers became locked.

By the way, I am not saying the hunters did anything wrong, if that's indeed what happened. I myself used to hunt, and I probably would have taken one too

Hmmm. A couple observations. I went to Oregon State, and the soil in parts of the Coast Range there is almost unique- it's an odd type of clay, and the soil in the photos has that look to it. But it's awfully dry for Thanksgiving. And something that contradicts my hunter theory- the guy in the photo does not look like he's dressed for deer season. Just tack it up on the "Life's Little Mysteries" bulletin board, I guess.

All right, this thread is old as fuck but I have a couple of things to say. The first is, why do people speak with The Voice of Authority on subjects they obviously know little about?

1. Bucks in breeding season will fight ANYTHING. Trees, cars, horses, whatever.

2. It's really, really common for antlers to get locked up so badly the bucks cannot disengage. It usually leads to slow starvation for both bucks.

3. The dead one has obviously been dead for quite some time... look at how collapsed its sides are, the liquifecation of its entrails evident under the tail, and the hair sloughing off. Due to the location, I'ma guess roadkill. Meanwhile, the live buck looks pretty healthy, not like it's been locked up with a dead buck for very long.

4. That is OBVIOUSLY not the Coast Range... that's the east side of the Cascades, which is evident by both the soil and the flora.

5. Given the location, dry for Thanksgiving is typical.

-Oregon born and raised.


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Apr 3 01:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by missjenmarie View Post
xoxoxobruce,
i know you posted the live deer dragging the dead deer picture a long time ago, but i am using it in a painting, and was wondering if you had any hi-resolution images of the second image (pic00782.jpg) Please write me back at missjenmarie@gmail.com at your SOONest convenience. thank you.
jm
painter
No missjenmarie, virtually all the IOtD pictures are found on the web and they're never hi-rez, sorry.


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