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   Undertoad  Monday Oct 24 11:45 AM

10/24/2005: Dog becomes shark bait



DreamerFi sends along this horrible, horrible one from NatGeo. The full story is here - basically, this dog was intended to be used as shark bait. From the text of the story:

Live and dead dogs and cats are being used as shark bait by amateur fishers on the French-controlled island of Réunion, according to animal-welfare organizations and local authorities.
...
A veterinarian successfully treated one of the canines, a six-month-old dog with a large fishhook through its snout (see photo), at an SPA (Société Protectrice des Animaux, or Animal Protective Society) clinic in Réunion's capital, St.-Denis.

Unlike most of the hooked animals, the dog was someone's pet, according to Saliha Hadj-Djilani, a reporter for the Thirty Million Friends Foundation's TV program. The dog had apparently escaped its captors and was taken to the SPA by a concerned citizen. Fully recovered, the animal is now home with its owners.



lumberjim  Monday Oct 24 12:02 PM

GUH



Trilby  Monday Oct 24 12:08 PM

You see? It's this sort of effing SHIT that makes me contribute to PETA!!! Yeah, they are extreme and I do not particularly believe an ants life is as important as my kid's life BUT (and this is a HUGE caveat) people who are this extremely SICK need people like PETA to counterbalance them! DISGUSTING! I'd like to string them up as shark bait! FIENDS!!!



York  Monday Oct 24 12:23 PM

Ok people may have different traditions and stuff, but these people are just lazy, ignorant aboriginals! Its like the only country where there's no compassion! They still live about a 200 years back...Can anyone please teach them how to catch shark with some normal bait? and maybe make them aware that this is 2005 and full of other options? Pplleeaaasseee!!
I just want to go over there and try it out with one of them!



Oafed  Monday Oct 24 12:25 PM

Quote:
From July 1998 through the end of 2004, PETA killed over 12,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.
Please tell me how PETA provides a counterbalance?

....

On the other side - what about the sharks? What makes dogs more worthy of not having a hook in its mouth? We've been hooking sharks for years and no one seems to care.


xoxoxoBruce  Monday Oct 24 12:44 PM

Quote:
Please tell me how PETA provides a counterbalance?
By providing a high profile bad example. You have to do as they say, not as they do.

I'm having a hard time with that picture, after the initial revulsion.
There's no blood.
There's no tear around the hook.
It wouldn't work. If you tried to pull a dog that size through the water that hook would rip out quickly.

Something's fishy(no pun) here.


Trilby  Monday Oct 24 12:48 PM

I need to know more about that PETA story you posted. Were the animals SICK? IN PAIN??? So much left untold...and ya know what? Sharks are predators. I feel sorry for them, too, but they aren't really "man's best friend", are they? doofus.



Oafed  Monday Oct 24 12:51 PM

Quote:
There's no blood.
*The dog was found in a creek... must have washed off

Quote:
There's no tear around the hook.
*The hook would be inserted clean and obviously no tension was applied since

Quote:
If you tried to pull a dog that size through the water that hook would rip out
*Sure, but why would you need to 'drag the dog'? Just throw him in the water, let him swim around until the shark gets him. As long as your line is long enough, you're fine.


glatt  Monday Oct 24 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
I'm having a hard time with that picture, after the initial revulsion.
There's no blood.
There's no tear around the hook.
It wouldn't work. If you tried to pull a dog that size through the water that hook would rip out quickly.

Something's fishy(no pun) here.
I assumed that the hook went through more than just the lip. That it went through the roof of the mouth and above the teeth. Hard to tell, but now that I look more closely, it does look like it just goes through the lip. Maybe these fishermen are incompetent as well as cruel.


xoxoxoBruce  Monday Oct 24 01:39 PM

Quote:
*The hook would be inserted clean and obviously no tension was applied since
You may be right but it's hard to believe the dog didn't try to paw or shake it loose. Especially after escaping his tormentors.
I believe the story, I'm just having a tough time with this picture.


Sundae  Monday Oct 24 01:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
You may be right but it's hard to believe the dog didn't try to paw or shake it loose. Especially after escaping his tormentors.
I believe the story, I'm just having a tough time with this picture.
Same here - there seems to be a reasonable amount of proof that animals we consider pets are being used as bait, but the pic did raise questions in my mind.

Are sharks usually caught with live bait? (my experience of catching them begins & ends with Jaws). If so, how were the islanders catching them before the dog population exploded? Is it really that easy to catch and hook feral dogs? (I appreciate that the one in the pic is described as a pet, but an island population that has no real love of dogs surely can't have that many of them to dognap).

It does mention that the animals are usually hooked in more than one place - perhaps the paws take the brunt of it?


laebedahs  Monday Oct 24 01:56 PM

That looks like a golden retriever too. Poor dog. But yes, the picture does seem questionable.



chrisinhouston  Monday Oct 24 02:16 PM

You know, I've eaten shark and while it's not bad, I wouldn't go out of my way to put it on my plate. The other strange thing about this story is that its mostly the Chinese or those who supply them who are fishing for sharks as a delicacy in sharkfin soup and some other dishes. For most commercial fisherman sharks are a big hassle with little market value, they eat your bait, scare away the fish you want, put up one hell of a fight and most sport fisherman end up cutting the line when they realize what they have hooked.

I guess the moral of this story is that man's existance on this planet really screws up the balance of nature. In a perfect world, dogs and cats and most other creatures reach a balance as far as their population goes, and so do the fisheries of the world.

Guess we've really fucked this world up!



Elspode  Monday Oct 24 02:18 PM

Two thoughts here. You're going to hate me for the second one, but I can't help the stuff that pops into my head:

1) Somebody should have their ass kicked soundly for this.
2) It would take a real manly guy to cast a golden retriever.



tang  Monday Oct 24 02:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
I'm having a hard time with that picture, after the initial revulsion.
There's no blood.
There's no tear around the hook.
It wouldn't work. If you tried to pull a dog that size through the water that hook would rip out quickly.
I agree. Plus that looks like an ineffective way to bait your hook. If you did get a strike, I don't think you'd pull in a shark. I think you would just pull in the head of a dog.

Snopes seems undecided...
www.snopes.com


BigV  Monday Oct 24 02:20 PM

I'm both skeptical and unalarmed. Snopes regards the status as "mixed". The article contains a different but highly similar photo.

I believe cruelty to animals is wrong. I think that working myself into a high froth over this picture would be a waste of energy as there are countless opportunities closer to home that I could have a more direct influence on. [<strike>devil's</strike> shark's advocate] What about the sharks caught this way or any other way that are hauled onboard, have their fins removed "harvested" and their living bleeding bodies dumped overboard to suffer and die? Where's the love there?



Promenea  Monday Oct 24 03:07 PM

[quote=BigV]What about the sharks caught this way or any other way that are hauled onboard, have their fins removed "harvested" and their living bleeding bodies dumped overboard to suffer and die? [quote]


Why would they throw perfectly good bait back in the water without a hook attached?


I'm not buying that they hook the dog alive. A dog has teeth and is likely to bite the shit out of you in a frenzy while putting in that hook. I can see them shooting feral dogs and using them as bait but I'm not buying the rest of it.



Leus  Monday Oct 24 03:23 PM

This is just too "good" to be true: a dog used as a giant fishbait, hook included? I'd say fake, even (or even more) if it's from NatGeo.



mrnoodle  Monday Oct 24 05:34 PM

It looks fake-ish, but (sorry for the graphic nature of the following) it would actually be a pretty effective way to rig a live animal as bait. Sharks hit to disable first, then come back around to feed. The dog would be in a considerable amount of pain, and its thrashing would attract sharks. If the hooks are set in cartilage, they wouldn't tear free, and the lack of any major blood vessels (other than in the tongue) would ensure a relatively long period of consciousness in the animal, at least until it drowned or was attacked.

Sick, but entirely plausible. I imagine they have a number of dogs pre-hooked, then they chum the water until sharks appear. When they do, splash goes a dog.

All that said, I have a hard time condemning the fisherpeople on the "cute and fuzzy" aspect alone. Live bait is live bait, and if these people don't share our sensibilities about dogs, you can't hold them to the same standard.

I use live bait all the time -- minnows don't get an easier time of it, just because they lack puppy-ness. Neither do pigs used to bait lions.

I'd break the legs of anyone I caught abusing a dog, but we can't just throw a blanked condemnation over actions which are reprehensible to our genteel upbringing.



Trilby  Monday Oct 24 05:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
All that said, I have a hard time condemning the fisherpeople on the "cute and fuzzy" aspect alone. Live bait is live bait, and if these people don't share our sensibilities about dogs, you can't hold them to the same standard.

I use live bait all the time -- minnows don't get an easier time of it, just because they lack puppy-ness. Neither do pigs used to bait lions.

I'd break the legs of anyone I caught abusing a dog, but we can't just throw a blanked condemnation over actions which are reprehensible to our genteel upbringing.
Now I really, really dislike you, noodle. Bag on Halloween and now this! I CAN CONDEM PEOPLE WHO USE CATS AND DOGS AS SHARK BAIT! I CAN! I WILL! you're a bad, bad, naughty boy and some day you'll understand why this isn't a matter of 'genteel' upbringing. It's totally brutal and I'm hoping snopes says it's false.

noodle-do your attitudes about Halloween and the dog-as-bait thing have to do with your being Christian? I'll bet Jesus wouldn't use dogs as bait and I'll bet he would trick or treat. Don't know what kind of costume he'd like, though... how 'bout ??


dar512  Monday Oct 24 05:58 PM

I don't buy the minnow / dog comparison. The dog would be much more aware of his condition / situation.



capnhowdy  Monday Oct 24 06:07 PM

I personally am too apalled to comment. IMO no matter where you are from or who you are YOU ARE ONE SICK SUMBITCH TO DO THIS.
I wish someone would lock one of these people up in a cell with this Marine for about a half hour.
It is very difficult to draw a line for humanitarianism on these issues. Who said live bait is live bait? Sheesh......
Let's not forget.... we are animals too. More domesticated than dogs of course, but dogs are more domesticated than fish.

I project this IoTD will raise some controversy. After I recover from the initial shock I may dare to participate. Right now I'm just going to feel sorry for the dog and the twisted pieces of garbage that are committing these lewd acts. May God have mercy on their souls. I damn sure wouldn't.



mrnoodle  Monday Oct 24 06:35 PM

I feel the same way, get off my nuts. I'm just saying.

What about cannibals? What about cultures that have rites of passage that we would consider torture? Why do we assume fish don't feel? The shark is a predator, so his death isn't tragic? Why isn't it wrong for people to eat dog? If it IS wrong to eat dog, why isn't it wrong to eat cows?

It's obviously cruel to treat a dog like that. But what if they killed it humanely and then used it for bait? What if it was an ugly animal instead -- how would you feel then? I'm just asking honest questions of myself and of you, come play.



Trilby  Monday Oct 24 07:19 PM

Ok. I admit I have an emotional attachment to dogs/cats and furry critters all around. I don't like the idea of 'live bait' in any circumstance, though honestly I am not really bothered by live minnows being used as bait. I have no love of sharks but I don't want to see them tortured or abused or misused in any way. A living thing is a living thing and it should be honored as such and not used in some horrific, inhumane way. Human=humane? Not in my experience, but we should at least TRY. We should condem things that are blatantly tortuous, no?



footfootfoot  Monday Oct 24 07:30 PM

Festival of righteous anthropocentrism.

The closer you are to me the more valuable your life is.

When you show the same compassion for the weeds in your lawn that you do for the alleged dog in the above picture then I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, killing is killing.

Anything else is just indefensible anthropocentric crap.

But then, that's just my opinion.



linknoid  Monday Oct 24 07:46 PM

Shark bait, oooh ha ha!

Sorry, that's just my favorite line from "Finding Nemo".

(Not to make too light of the situation, whoever did that is really mentally deranged if it's real.)



warch  Monday Oct 24 08:10 PM

hmm. Well when the barking wont stop at 4 AM....you might as well get up and go fishin'. No need to cast. Just throw a stick and he'll swim out.

noooo..I kid....good doggie...fluffy puppy.



Happy Monkey  Monday Oct 24 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot
When you show the same compassion for the weeds in your lawn that you do for the alleged dog in the above picture then I'll listen to what you have to say.
Do you believe plants can feel pain, or that dogs can't?


dar512  Monday Oct 24 10:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
I feel the same way, get off my nuts. I'm just saying.
If you feel the same way, then I suspect you already know the answers. So why ask the questions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
What about cannibals? What about cultures that have rites of passage that we would consider torture?
You lost me. Try again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
Why do we assume fish don't feel? The shark is a predator, so his death isn't tragic?
Smaller braincase. Not really self-aware.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
Why isn't it wrong for people to eat dog? If it IS wrong to eat dog, why isn't it wrong to eat cows?
Don't know about other folks, but I think dogs make better companions than cows. I suspect dogs don't taste as good as cows.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
But what if they killed it humanely and then used it for bait?
Ok. This one actually made me think. Assuming that the dogs came from shelters, could not be adopted, and had to be disposed of anyway, then maybe.


footfootfoot  Monday Oct 24 11:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
Do you believe plants can feel pain, or that dogs can't?
If you are asking if I believe plants have a nervous system similar to mammals, then no; I didn't miss that much of biology class.

If you are attempting to set up a hierarchy of worthiness based upon how much a person empathizes with something then that is what I am referring to in my earlier post.

I find it pretty awful to use a live animal as bait on many many levels. But if you want to take the opinion for a moment that there is a hierarchy to creatures, and humans are somewhere in the top 5%, then it is probably more destructive to the people who are using animals as bait than it is to the animals being used as bait. After all, isn't it part of the argument that we humans have consciousness? And wouldn't it be taking a step down for a human to behave in such an uncompassionate way?

If compassion is a worthy trait of humans then isn't it somewhat false to say: "well, I have compassion for this creature because it is a lot like me, but bugs, well, bugs are kind of a nuisance so I don't really care about bugs. And while we're at it, fish don't really think, I mean scientists have proven that, so it is okay to just kill them. And vegetables can't run away, so they must have been meant to be eaten." etc.

So is it a conditional compassion and if so, based upon whose value set? At one end you've got the Jains who filter their water so they won't harm a single microbe (or so it's been alleged; I don't know any Jains) Most cellarites will agree that is pretty wacky. At the other end you've got any number of genocidal maniacs.


I don't have a special fondness for dogs or shark hunters, I'm just wary of the type of thinking that projects personal values onto creatures at large. The "live dogs make good shark bait" coin has two sides.


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Oct 25 12:15 AM

Quote:
The "live dogs make good shark bait" coin has two sides.
Yes it does..... couldn't and shouldn't.
I couldn't and they shouldn't.
Because I say so.
Because dogs are affectionate.
Plants are not affectionate.
I think my first wife was a plant.


Pearcie (AUS)  Tuesday Oct 25 01:43 AM

I saw video footage of that same dog with that same hook thru it's nose. Most definitely looked real in the video and I am having a hard time imagining why anyone would create a hoax image of this (tho stranger things have happened) I believe it and am appalled by it.

No animal should be treated in this way - there's just no need for it.



Sweets  Tuesday Oct 25 03:32 AM

OMFG I almost didn't want to open up this one, I was scared IW ould see somethign far more graphic and lose my interest in the Cellar. I'm glad I looked though, thanks for not making it the worst of what I was thinking :P

Anyway, This is the most cruel, and inhumane thing I have EVER heard of. Those poor animals. Now, I'm not the type who normally goes on and on about animal cruelty (while I think it is wrong) I never publically state my opinion, but this is just SICK. LIVE DOGS AND CATS?! What is wrong with these people! I just want to cry.



noviceathome  Tuesday Oct 25 05:08 AM

It looks to me as though this dog has tried to eat someone's bait, perhaps washed up or discarded on the beach, and ended up with piercings. Probably not too much discomfort after the initial shock and critters adapt quickly to circumstance as evidenced by the earlier victim of a scrap with a porcupine.



Trilby  Tuesday Oct 25 06:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot
If compassion is a worthy trait of humans then isn't it somewhat false to say: "well, I have compassion for this creature because it is a lot like me, but bugs, well, bugs are kind of a nuisance so I don't really care about bugs. And while we're at it, fish don't really think, I mean scientists have proven that, so it is okay to just kill them. And vegetables can't run away, so they must have been meant to be eaten." etc.
I didn't come close to saying that. I said that I, personally, have an emotional attachment to dogs/cats. I admit that. I, strangely, do not have such an attachment to sharks. I FEAR the sea and all the creatures in it. Fear is not a good base for love. I said I am not bothered by live minnows used for bait and it is because I do not think they have a consciousness--I should have made that clear. What I said is true for me. It's not false at all. I didn't say it was true for everyone, obviously. It's not true for you, or the shark baiters.


papabell  Tuesday Oct 25 10:25 AM

Brianna! <Slap><Slap><Slap> Pay attention!

How many times did you use the word "I" in your last post... count them I'll wait.

I got 12, too.

Feet's point is that your values cannot be automatically applied to people of another culture. It isn't about you. It's about life. The reason we are appalled by the thought of pushing a hook through a dog's nose and not a fish's has to do with our point of view.

We were raised to value a dog's life nearly as much as our own. We grow up with dog's as pets and as friends and the feelings are too personal to let us accept this type of treatment. But, fish... yeah they swim on our counters, but they don't cuddle with us... they don't lick our faces. From our point of veiw, a fish's life has less value. Its just something pretty for the counter. It can't fetch a ball or comfort us when we're sad.

So, what is the difference between hooking a minnow and hooking a dog? It's the point of view, values, stemming from personal experiences that decide right and wrong. There is no absolute truth. The sharkbaiters have applied their values, derived from personal experience we know nothing about, to the situation and acted accordingly. Yes, its disgusting, appalling, and wrong - from our point of view.

But the thing feet and noodle are getting at is that this should make us take a closer look at our values. Why has our life experience allowed us to come to the conclusion that it is ok to hook a fish and eat it? Shouldn't we step out of our own experience and come to a conclusion that is right independant of your point of view?

Now for the punch line... None of this matters.

Feet, Noodle, <Slap><Slap><Slap> Pay attention! There is no absolute truth. There is no moral right. No matter where you draw the line someone else draws it two feet to the left. Societal values, then, must be about either concensus or tyranny. I choose concensus becuase many views are more likely to match mine than one is. I say we feed the sharkbaiters to the hammerheads in Vegas. And my point of view must be right, nothing else makes sense...



mrnoodle  Tuesday Oct 25 10:37 AM

edit: i didn't read the previous post before posting this....

Quote:
Originally Posted by dar512
You lost me. Try again.
K. What is it about this image that's so much more appalling than any number of other practices which are just as foreign to western sensibilities (e.g., cannibalism, live sacrifice)?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dar512
Smaller braincase. Not really self-aware.
You're taking someone's word for that. Grab one and try to ride it and see how aware it is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dar512
Don't know about other folks, but I think dogs make better companions than cows. I suspect dogs don't taste as good as cows.
I had a bull that would put its head in my lap from calfhood upwards. I fell asleep while leaning against him more than once. Freaked the city cousins out to have a 1000-lb red bull walk up when called, sit and lay his head in my lap on command.

Didn't eat him, but his offspring tasted great.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dar512
Ok. This one actually made me think. Assuming that the dogs came from shelters, could not be adopted, and had to be disposed of anyway, then maybe.
You think any of this matters to the dog? I say that people find this picture more distasteful because we've elevated dogs to a higher status than other animals, and that we've done it for kind of selfish reasons.

My mom says that in her part of the world, there was no such thing as dogs in the house. They were considered outside animals, just like horses. The first time she ever saw a dog indoors was on My Three Sons,
and everyone thought it was disgusting to have something that eats its own shit walking around on nice clean carpet. She claims that television is what has brought dogs inside -- that kids who had never considered it before suddenly HAD TO HAVE a house dog because they saw it on TV. I dunno.

Fast forward to today, and watch people eat food with their animals, sleep with them as though they were in a den, walk around with their hair all over their clothes. The same tongue that was licking an asshole 5 seconds ago is slobbering all over your face. We put sweaters on them, name them people names, project human thoughts onto them. Why? Because we want companions to take care of that we can pretend are just little fur-covered people who "love" us as much as we love them. It's a harmless delusion, but a delusion nonetheless. They are affectionate, but they're trained to be so. You can train them to kill also, but they don't feel "hate" when they're doing it.

They're dogs. With dog emotions. We interpret their actions and motives as human, but they're not. Even the Dog Whisperer will tell you that. It's just an animal.

So, that whole rant didn't really have a point, other than this: Just because we've decided that dogs are more special than other animals doesn't make it so. If it's evil to treat a dog that way, it's evil to treat a fish that way.

But if it's not evil to treat a fish that way, then it's not evil to treat a dog that way -- we've just taught ourselves to believe otherwise.

I prefer to live with my delusions, personally. I love dogs (cats, not so much), and I'd rather make a dog happy than a person, most times. But I don't mind calling my delusion what it is, and if an entire subculture was raised to not share my views about dogs, that doesn't make them bad people.


Happy Monkey  Tuesday Oct 25 11:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot
If you are asking if I believe plants have a nervous system similar to mammals, then no; I didn't miss that much of biology class.
No, I am asking whether you think plants can feel pain. I'm just curious; I do know people who think that plants have some sort of consciousness.


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Oct 25 11:32 AM

Quote:
My mom says that in her part of the world, there was no such thing as dogs in the house. They were considered outside animals, just like horses. The first time she ever saw a dog indoors was on My Three Sons, I dunno.
Absolutely, my mother would never allow a dog, cat or any critter in the house. They belonged in the yard or the barn if the weather was bad.
This was the norm, back in the day.

UT puts up the IOtD (thankfully, tip jar at the bottom on the front page) for us to see, contemplate and comment according to our individual sensibilities.
Nobody is wrong........it's how you feel....your take on the picture.
The more views stated the better because it lets us get other perspectives.

btw...I'm right, your wrong. :p


footfootfoot  Tuesday Oct 25 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
No, I am asking whether you think plants can feel pain. I'm just curious; I do know people who think that plants have some sort of consciousness.
I read "The secret life of plants" back in the 70's. A lot of experiments were done with plants being hooked up to polygraph machines as I recall. There was one that stands out in my memory:
Several plants were set up in a room and a series of people walked through the room, one at a time, past the plants. One of the people was instructed to pick a plant at random and tear it out of its pot and rip it to pieces.

Later the people again filed past the plants and when the plant killer came into the room the machines went berserk.

I would like to see that experiment reproduced on NOVA.

I'm not sure what I believe, today when I went out onto my lawn and saw that one of my filthy neighbors let his dog shit on my lawn, you know I was thinking about using him as shark bait, to hell with his dog.

But that's just me being a backsliding buddhist.


mitheral  Wednesday Oct 26 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
It looks fake-ish, but (sorry for the graphic nature of the following) it would actually be a pretty effective way to rig a live animal as bait.
I'm not buying the hook thru the lip so the dog could be used as bait. It would be a lot easier to just tie the line to a collar or piece of rope around the dog's neck. This has to be either a horrid publicity stunt or there's some other explanation like noviceathome's.


capnhowdy  Thursday Oct 27 07:42 AM

If it was meant to be disturbing it hit the nail right on the goddam head. Thats for sure.



darclauz  Thursday Oct 27 03:16 PM

i notice cats aren't in this line. i think cats -- more specifically, my husband's cat -- would make a heck of a bait.

shark bait..ooh ha ha.
stuck in my head now....just like a fishhook, or a cat penis.



Trilby  Thursday Oct 27 04:29 PM

um. darclauz. pretty much hate you now.



capnhowdy  Friday Oct 28 09:08 AM

Someone told me they caught a dude using cats for bait off the coast of Savannah at Tybee island (my hometown) a few years ago. I was told they burnt his ass and rightly so. I personally cannot stand cats but nothing deserves that type of abuse.
I went bass fishing with some other guys two years ago at a local pond. One of them had white mice for bait. Said it was the best bait ever. I promptly left.
Killing is one thing. Sometimes things must die to sustain life.
Terrorism and torture are alltogether different. No matter what lifeform it is.



York  Saturday Oct 29 02:35 AM

It is true that not al people think alike...but still, i find it really stupid...I dont think its a hoax cause ive seen it before! Im not gonna say that a dog is a superior beiing...but it stands closer to humans than a fish! No matter if they wer once outside pets...we "people" wanted to move on and got them in the house...because of the companion and friendship u get from them...We got used to it and in many cases the pets mean more to someone than a relative! They are also used and trained for great purposes...if u compare that with this sick thing.... I still think that people , who have a great advantage in thinking and feeling, are lost in emotion when they do things like this! Allover the world we evolute...we should help the countrys that live in the 1800's to keep up! Only to prevent such shocking things...
Cannibalism and live sacrifice are just as bad and if i would see it, i d condamne it!
Mitheral: i guess the only way to find out is to try it yourself! Put on a collar and attache a rope to it....u can get strangled, u can try shake it off ...
Now try it with a hook thrue yr lip....



footfootfoot  Saturday Oct 29 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by darclauz
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stuck in my head now....just like a fishhook, or a cat penis.
How, and in what part of your head, exactly, did you get a cat penis stuck?

On second thought, never mind.


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