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   Undertoad  Monday Nov 7 06:44 PM

11/7/2005: Swiss direct democracy of the 70s



Would you guess what it was if there wasn't a title there? xoB is on fire finding images, and sends this one. This is an unpublished National Geographic picture from 1973.

"Men of Appenzell, Switzerland, gather to vote on public issues at the annual Landsgemeinde (constitutional assembly). Most Swiss cantons have abolished the Landsgemeinde in favor of anonymous written ballots, but a few Landsgemeinde are still held, continuing this 600-year-old tradition of direct democracy."

It looks like fairly direct democracy, but you do note that only half the eligible citizens seem included in the vote.



Clodfobble  Monday Nov 7 06:59 PM

Someone actually tries to count how many hands are raised?



tw  Monday Nov 7 08:02 PM

It does solve the problem of hanging chads and recounts.



ashke  Monday Nov 7 08:10 PM

I thought they didn't give the vote to women until some donkey years late?



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Nov 7 08:21 PM

I've seen this system used in nonpolitical situations where they would have "counters" stationed throughout the crowd to count the hands in their area.
Just how the counters determine the boundry between them is a mystery.

If the actual count is close, then whatever they say the tally is would be hard to dispute. If the actual count is not close, then it's probably obvious to the officials and the crowd alike.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Nov 7 08:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashke
I thought they didn't give the vote to women until some donkey years late?
1971, but these people were using the old way of voting so they may have used the old way of allowing.


capnhowdy  Tuesday Nov 8 12:54 AM

Sure that isnt GWB dressed in red and they are giving him a group finger? How do the Swiss flip the bird, anyway?

Thats right.. it's a universal thingie.



capnhowdy  Tuesday Nov 8 12:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashke
I thought they didn't give the vote to women until some donkey years late?
WTF is donkey years. I'm curious.


be-bop  Tuesday Nov 8 05:57 PM

Sorry but I have to say it "Where's Wally"...?



ashke  Tuesday Nov 8 08:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnhowdy
WTF is donkey years. I'm curious.
It's a Singlish (derived from 'Singapore' and 'English') expression, meaning 'many years'. I don't know why it's that way (donkey's aren't well-known for their longevity??) but... it is. ^_^;;


Griff  Tuesday Nov 8 09:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
It looks like fairly direct democracy, but you do note that only half the eligible citizens seem included in the vote.
Yah, I don't see any black hands...


wolf  Thursday Nov 10 02:10 PM

If they're palm toward you, given the scale of the picture, it would be hard to tell.



capnhowdy  Thursday Nov 10 08:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashke
It's a Singlish (derived from 'Singapore' and 'English') expression, meaning 'many years'. I don't know why it's that way (donkey's aren't well-known for their longevity??) but... it is. ^_^;;

OK. Kinda like we say here: Ain't seen you in a coons age. Or: It's been a dogs age since that's happened.
Thanks


jaguar  Thursday Nov 10 08:35 PM

Switzerland can be very culturally conservative. If you were a swiss woman you lost your swiss citizenship if you married a foreigner until a few years ago. I filled in my ballot paper about changes in workplace law and banning GM food, my duty as a swiss citizen a few hours ago, it's one kickass system of government.



Griff  Thursday Nov 10 08:51 PM

I drove within 50 yards of "my" polling place tuesday.



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