Undertoad Wednesday Nov 9 06:54 PM
11/9/2005: Snow roller in Vermont 1941
xoxoxoBruce Wednesday Nov 9 08:20 PM
I noticed the far white horse has stopped pulling because (s)he can see the horse in front is down.
Bromskloss Wednesday Nov 9 08:30 PM
It's funny how the text describes travelling by horse as some unknown fenomenon that mabye took place only a very long time ago, though this really isn't that far away. In large parts of the world, I'm sure this is still how you do it. I have never travelled this way myself, though, but I sure would like to some time. It seems kind of peaceful.
Griff Wednesday Nov 9 08:37 PM
xoxoxoBruce Wednesday Nov 9 09:05 PM
Hey Bromskloss, welcome to the Cellar.
ashke Wednesday Nov 9 11:17 PM
Even though it's only 64 years ago, it seems like an entirely different era from now. O_o
srom Thursday Nov 10 12:18 AM
Especially when you weren't even alive during the 30s and 40s (and earlier, or course) it seems like a completely different era.
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Nov 10 04:51 AM
Yes, sometimes they did make payments on tings, including horses.
Sundae Thursday Nov 10 05:04 AM
I still feel a connection with the horse drawn era because my Granddad remembers horses delivering milk on the streets of London.
Griff Thursday Nov 10 06:47 AM
My Grandad didn't retire his horses until my Dad went into the Marine Corp in 1956. His Brother-in-Law who was a dedicated horse man breeding and training, kept them longer, I remember his last animal. My Great Uncle kept a pair of draft horses well into the '70s, he had a tractor which he mostly kept safely in the barn. It was hard for some of those old guys to let go. They'd worked with horses there whole lives, the smells, the ritual, the companionship. Of course some hated the critters and moved to tractors right away and some realized it was farming they hated but took it out on the animals.
CharlieG Thursday Nov 10 08:27 AM
Both my parents remember horses being used in NYC and places like Jersey City
ashke Thursday Nov 10 09:30 AM
But come to think of it, when I was living in Indonesia in the 90s, there were still a lot of horse-drawn carriages. I never rode any (since we had a car) but seeing horses was quite a usual sight. But since Indonesia is quite tropical, they wouldn't have had snow rollers anyway, hah... Oxen plowed the fields though. That was a common sight too. Not sure about how it is now.
chrisinhouston Thursday Nov 10 11:55 AM
Not only does this image remind us of a time when the car was just really becomming a part of everyone's lives but also one has to consider the people in the picture. Probably wearing a few layers of wool at best. No polarfleece or down, no Gortex, God it must have been cold sitting up on top of that thing in the wind!
chrisinhouston Thursday Nov 10 11:59 AM
If horse tails make for a measurement of horsepower what does this image of my great grandfather make for:
chrisinhouston Thursday Nov 10 12:00 PM
Helps if you upload the image, sorry!
chrisinhouston Thursday Nov 10 12:02 PM
yea, 3 tries makes it! One of those days.
jinx Thursday Nov 10 12:14 PM
Around here, it's very common to see draft horses, mostly Percherons and Belgians, plowing fields - and Standard breds pulling Amish buggies. The latter pisses me off everytime.
Bromskloss Thursday Nov 10 12:37 PM
I was visiting Egypt this summer, and they really made use of both horses and donkeys for transportation. And camels! :-) In the streets they where mixed with all the cars. As for the camels, the police actually used them when patrolling in desert areas.
Sundae Thursday Nov 10 12:43 PM
I saw a very unpleasant accident involving a horse drawn cart & a coach full of tourists in Egypt...
glatt Thursday Nov 10 01:08 PM
I was in an accident between a mule drawn wagon hauling tourists (me and my wife) and a tour van on our honeymoon in Hawaii. Fortunately, it was a 5-10 mph accident of the sideswipe variety. Good for a story. "Fuck! Fuckin' mules!" is still ingrained in my head. The van was dented all along its side, and the mules and wagon were unscathed.
Bromskloss Thursday Nov 10 01:35 PM
Fortunately, it was a 5-10 mph accident
capnhowdy Thursday Nov 10 08:42 PM
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Nov 10 10:29 PM
wolf Friday Nov 11 02:01 AM
I was wondering that too, Jinx ... better to pull a buggy than become dogfood or a Frenchman's dinner. They can't all be Rysdyk's Hambeltonian, after all.
johningerslev Friday Nov 11 07:12 AM
Certainly when my friend and i were travelling last year we saw horses and donkeys still being used in morroco, and the year before in bulgaria! It's really strange - it has a strange attraction don't you think...
CharlieG Friday Nov 11 08:10 AM
Trust me - down existed
As for "a few layers of wool at best" - Dad still hunts in a 40+ year old Woolrich hunting suit - no modern stuff in it - he DOES use modern thermal undies under it - trust me, I used to have one of those wool sets - they are plenty warm, particularly if you are moving/working - plus the breathe, they are warm when wet, extremely fire resistant and the like
BTW look closer - the collers on their jackets - they are either wearing what we would call shearling, or, believe it or not - FELT. Felt is another of those amazingly warm items that most people have forgotten about
BTW there are a few hints that it MIGHT not be quite as cold as it looks in the photo (yes, it's cold, but) 1)No breath visible 2)The guys do NOT have scarves wrapped over their faces 3)The snow sticking to the side of the roller (really COLD snow tends NOT to stick to things - it's powder)
Polarfleece (partularly when it has the windstopper built in) Goretex etc are amazing (well, Goretex is a BIT overrated in my book - but not that much) - but there are plenty of old ways to keep warm - one of the big ones? WORK HARD - trust me, those guys are probably quite warm, as they are working
The BIGGEST place where modern insulation makes a difference (IMHO) - GLOVES - you layer your body right - yeah, you get stiff, and it's harder to move, but you can stay warm. It's HARD to wrap hands/feet however
jinx Friday Nov 11 11:15 AM
Griff Friday Nov 11 12:26 PM
Wool is also a good insulator when wet, which makes it superior to a lot of the miracle fibers out there.
wolf Friday Nov 11 01:44 PM
Goretex doesn't smell funny, though.
BigV Friday Nov 11 03:27 PM
jinx Friday Nov 11 05:20 PM
xoxoxoBruce Friday Nov 11 05:38 PM
It's called the "Railroad Vest" because it has a watch pocket for the conductor's "Railroad Watch".
IIRC, wool felt is what the Mongolians use to build their Yurts (tents) that withstand the winter blasts from the artic.
lumberjim Friday Nov 11 05:55 PM
it seems to me that if they had devised some rigging that could put that big wheel in FRONT of the horses, they might have had an easier time of it.
Trilby Friday Nov 11 06:40 PM
busterb Friday Nov 11 07:02 PM
Is that not another example of someone trying to put the horse before the cart?
capnhowdy Friday Nov 11 07:56 PM
My Granddad always told me "don't get the cart ahead of the horse".
xoxoxoBruce Saturday Nov 12 12:24 AM
mitheral Saturday Nov 12 06:50 PM
xoxoxoBruce Saturday Nov 12 10:17 PM
Technically, they're pushing the horse collar which pulls the load. But you're right, pushing a load is very difficult and impossible to steer.