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So I guess I admit to being wrong about it not being a fact, but I don't think it's a highly common procedure. I just don't think the term is applicable to the santorum situation either, simply for the fact that he's misusing the term. |
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So right now we have three explanations for what happened: 1.) as per the article I linked, the pregnancy was terminated by an induced miscarriage 2.) as per Klein's article, the Santorums decided not to terminate pregnancy, and later, Karen miscarried 3.) the baby was EITHER induced or naturally-born, lived for two hours, and then died - and was thus not a miscarriage at all. |
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According to this one, if a fetus is born alive at 23 weeks, but then dies afterwards, it's considered a miscarriage. Because there's no time limit shown, does that mean if the fetus lives to the ripe old age of 96 it's still considered a miscarriage? ;) |
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A baby can be induced and still be classed as a natural birth. It is my understanding that the term natural birth simply means born through the birth canal. You'll need to check up on what's considered a live birth. I don't believe HM's chart is definitive. My understanding is that a live birth means the fetus or baby has a heart beat when it's born. eta: I think Santorum is misusing the term which is why there is such debate about it. eta also: No one but the doctors and the Santorum family are ever going to know exactly what happened. My feeling is they made a choice which goes against what their voters expect of them, and they're trying to cover their arses by using weird terms to confuse the voters and make it seem ok. I doubt anyone will ever know the real truth, and in my opinion, it's no one else's business anyway, even if they are hypocrites. |
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I think the people who would vote for him in the first place would probably believe whatever lies he told anyway, so I don't think it matters. That's just what I think. I don't have to worry about voting for him, and thankfully these sorts of issues don't really come into it over here much. Peripherally maybe, but certainly not much.
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You need to read more than the partisan stuff. I know you like dailykos and MM because they tell you what you want to hear, but they slant most everything, just like AM thinker, fox, breitbart and so on. Rhianne is correct. |
If you explained it, classic, I either didn't understand your explanation or missed your explanation. What is the difference between a medically induced miscarriage and an abortion?
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HM, nothing personal, but that wiki article is beyond terrible.
I listed more reasons for inducing labor than they had. I went through this twice and did enough research to know. |
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Nothing else matters and I'll not post any more on it. It brings up terrible memories for me. I'm out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IMO, Santorum is not a viable candidate for many many reasons. This is NOT one of them. |
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It's all a vigorous discussion, and supports my political point,
in that Rick Santorum espouses a religious position that no woman should have any pregnancy terminated ... no how, no way ... no matter if she be pregnant via rape, incest or a loving husband. I suspect there is rarely, if ever, a definitive, objective, medical basis for choosing the "life of the mother versus life of the fetus". It's my understanding the teachings of Santorum's church is to always try to save the life of both. But Santorum's actions with regards to Terri Shiavo demonstrate that he is quite willing to use the power of governmental office to impose his own religious beliefs on others. . |
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When Rick Santorum staked out the position that a fertilized egg is a Person - and should be legally considered a person, and this that the government should be in the business of regulating the reproductive systems of women, having a double standard when it's his own family is important. If he was making his opposition to drugs an important campaign issue, but his daughter had a medical Mary Jane prescription, I would have a huge problem with the idea that it's okay for him and his but unacceptable to the general public. It's not the decision on the pregnancy I question. It's his double-standard, that the government should ban something that he believes is acceptable when his loved ones do it. |
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