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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 830240)

Wrong Pele.

she's hot.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 830774)

An acquaintance of mine--who, if you'd pressed me, I might have guessed was Muslim, but I'd never thought about it before--has suddenly started dropping Masha Allah and Insha Allah all over the place in her emails to me. I figure maybe she's felt persecuted recently, or is trying to show the world in her small way that a normal person like her can be Muslim too.

Except the funny thing is she's not normal, she's a big ol' bag of crazy. But only in a suburban ill-equipped mother kind of way, not a significant way.

Have a Namaste day :)

I watched pieces of this video. It is clearly, obviously, and amateurly stolen/edited/dubbed differently than what the actors are saying. it's a total hatchet job of the work the actors did, after the fact, to make an appallingly bad cheesy straight to youtube piece of moviemaking. the references to religion were all overdubbed, and those are the ones that when translated into arabic are the most offfensive. It's just meant to offend. To provoke. To pick a fight.

some people WANT TO FIGHT. sometimes, I wish they would, and just neutralize each other. but it's never that neat. other people get hurt and killed. what a fucking waste.

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 830904)

Even more than the inflammatory speech I was seriously offended by the cheap green screen effects.

wow. That is one bad movie. I could do better blindfolded and on crack.

I only watched a bit of it b/c it was just ...so...bad.

Worse than Sophie Coppola's Marie Antoinette - which, honey, was bad.

Great news: Libyans fight back!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/wo...-benghazi.html

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Galvanized by anger over the killing of the popular American ambassador here last week, thousands of Libyans marched through this city on Friday, demanding the disarming of the militias that helped topple the dictatorship but have troubled the country with their refusal to disband.

In a show of mass frustration at the armed groups, protesters seized control of several militia headquarters on Friday night and handed them over to Libya’s national army in what appeared to be a coordinated sweep. They also stormed the headquarters of Ansar al-Sharia, a hard-line Islamist militia that has been linked to the attack on the United States Mission in Benghazi that killed the ambassador and three other Americans.

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“We want justice for Chris,” read one sign among the estimated 30,000 Libyans, including families, who marched into Benghazi’s main square on Friday to protest in front of the main encampment of Ansar al-Sharia.

Some held signs reading “The ambassador was Libya’s friend” and “Libya lost a friend.” Many protesters carried Libyan flags, and government police officers could be seen mingling with the marchers.

Members of Ansar al-Sharia held a counterdemonstration, and arguments erupted between the opposing sides, but no violence occurred, at least not initially. Protesters chanted: “You terrorists, you cowards. Go back to Afghanistan.”

Libya ain't Egypt!

How many dead this time?

The Lybians went one better, they ran the fuckers out of town.

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Hundreds of Libyan protesters forced members of the main Salafist militia out of their base in the second city of Benghazi Friday, setting fire to and wrecking the military compound.

I've been thinking about my and others' reaction to this whole thing. My view of Islam and its adherents is complicated. Having been inside, I have little love for organized religion. Like any ideology, be it fascism, progressivism, conservatism, liberalism, or libertarianism taken and embraced it gives a false clarity to the workings of the world. The blind spots created are defended relentlessly.

My own blind spot is in the department of perpetual war. I can't see the value in helping to topple dictators when the most obvious power to fill the vacuum is the religious nutter who will be even more oppressive than someone not speaking for god. I'm glad a more moderate Libya is standing up, but I'd be lying if I said I expected good government types to have the staying power of religious nuts.

As far as Moslems in the West are concerned, they must be more open as people to choose emigration. Those I've worked with basically match the other religious in the US, who interestingly, are condemned for their beliefs by militant liberalism at about the same level as Islam is defended by the same. The bottom line to me is that organized religion, which seeks to alter society rather than the individual is a great enemy of liberty and should be acknowledged as such.

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 836493)

being in the military, i'm offended that these americans were not given the requested support. there was a uas circling overhead providing ongoing coverage of the battle to the situation room. hell, they even had a seal on the roof lasing targets and requesting spectre gunship support. denied. they were left to die

Being a critical thinker, I'm offended that the worst possible outcome is being endlessly repeated and worse, believed by those who've put their trust in Fox News. I have far greater trust in the White House, the CIA, and the Pentagon, all of whom have rejected the Fox News' conclusion you have repeated.

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Following a pair of denials by the CIA and the National Security Council to a Fox News story published Friday, the Pentagon has come under scrutiny for its response to the assault on the U.S. compound in Benghazi. However, in a statement to The Atlantic Wire, a senior defense official says the Pentagon never rejected requests for military intervention in Benghazi. Not only that, the official said no such requests were ever made.

Fox's record for getting the facts straight is poor, and most especially in situations that are republican red meat like this. Fox doesn't know what happened, no more than their ex-Seal expert knows what happened. Drawing conclusions like "they were left to die" is not responsible journalism, it's yellow journalism; it is pure sensationalism.

If you're interested in *what happened*, follow the investigations. Here is a good link for you to read. It includes a couple **hypothetical** situations that accommodates the statements of all parties.

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To Zaid, it's perfectly plausible that the vagueness of the Pentagon and CIA denials is a result of still not knowing the whole of what happened in Benghazi. "When the fog of war surrounds an event it is not at all unusual for individual agencies, such as the CIA or DoD, or the White House to limit their statements to the knowledge they possess at the time rather than something all-encompassing for the entire Executive Branch," he said. "Simply put, none of these entities likely fully know what the other did or did not know at the time."

But right now, we don't know all of what happened, and no one there could have known the whole situation either. To suggest otherwise is Monday morning quarterbacking at best, invidious character assassination at worst. Let's see what happened before we hang anyone for treason, hmmm?

It seems that Bengazhi was due to a breakdown of communication somewhere down the line and probably not to due to incompetence of an entire group. I don't think anyone knows what actually happened yet.