Ambassador Murdered

[Griff]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19570254 Killed over a low budget movie, really? 9/11 celebration? This really shines the hard light of day on our ongoing engagement with the Islamic world. Answers, I have none.

[glatt]

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

I also have no answers.

[Rhianne]

Originally Posted by glatt

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

When you come to visit I'll introduce you to my family, I'm sure you'll feel different. From what we see on TV and read on the internet though, you might struggle to convince many of them in return that all Americans are 'live and let live' kind of folk like you.

A non-aggressive post.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Trilby

good post, Ibby. like I said, I was posting hastily. I was pissed off

Yeah. So was I.

But look at what we did. We went to a message board and posted some pretty non-inflammatory words.

I wrote:

Originally Posted by glatt

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

I'd take back that last sentence now. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Muslims are also live and let live. Just look at the numbers. In any angry, rioting, murderous mob you probably have only 1,000 maximum. Probably less than that. But let's say it's 1,000 people per mob.

There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world. So that's like 99.99995% of Muslims that are not attacking US embassies and killing the occupants.

And then the reports trickling in that this may have been a military action, and not a mob that was heavily armed changes the flavor of what actually went down.

When I made that post yesterday, the only news I had heard was that this heavily armed Muslim mob killed the Ambassador because of a YouTube video, and similar mobs were forming in other countries. I only saw reports of Muslims in favor of the mobs. Since then, I've seen a few Muslims condemning those acts of violence, and that's restoring my faith in mankind. I'd like to see more of that. Imagine a huge peace protest. Wouldn't that be cool?

[tw]

Rather interesting is a rumored Isreali, living in California, who is credited with creating that video. He cannot be found. Is rumored to have gone into hiding. His name appears to be ficticous. Just like a super PAC that the Supreme Court said has the right to say anything they can pay for.

According to the Supremes, he has the right to vocalize an opinion as long as it is not a felony and he can pay for it. Therefore any fictional person or corporation can do this. Responsiblity no longer applies.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Rather interesting is a rumored Isreali

Coptic Christian.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3837...copts-film.htm

Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts in Egypt about their treatment by Muslims.

Nakoula denied posing as Bacile, who supposedly is an Israeli Jew, although the Israelis say they have no record of such a person.

Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

You must drink

[glatt]

Apparently the Coptic Christian dude

explained that he was motivated because, “I’m tired of the radical Muslims running around killing everyone.”

How'd that work for ya, Coptic Dude?

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Coptic Christian.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3837...copts-film.htm



Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

You must drink

Listened to a story about this on NPR on the way back from class just now. It's not online yet but will be soon.
Someone called the Associated Press and blamed the video on an Israeli-American, who turned out to not be a real person. The person who called turned out to be Nakoula, the filmmaker - who is on probation after serving two years for an $800,000 bank fraud. One of the terms of his probation was that he not use the Internet - but it was under his israeli-american pseudonym that he posted the video to youtube.
The video itself may not be prosecutable, but we can probably go after the guy on probation violation anyway...

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

Did you bother to read the second paragraph?

Therefore any fictional person or corporation can do this.

I kept it short and you still missed the point.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by glatt

Since then, I've seen a few Muslims condemning those acts of violence, and that's restoring my faith in mankind. I'd like to see more of that. Imagine a huge peace protest. Wouldn't that be cool?

I don't know if it could be considered huge, but many in Benghazi are one step ahead of you.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...s-libya/56803/

I'm glad to see that. Supposedly a larger percentage of Libyans are still supportive of the US because of our help with overthrowing Qaddafi. According to what Clinton and Obama said in their statements, it was the Libyans who brought the injured Americans to the hospitals.


Edit: And just when we thought we there was hope, protestors in Yemen storm the US embassy there.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...testors/56813/

[Trilby]

This is the sort of thing that gives them all a coat with the same paint brush. What kind of person does this sort of thing? I KNOW there are zealots and weirdos in the US but when they do this sort of thing they are prosecuted. This probably will be OUR problem and we'll have to do all the legwork/prosecution IF the person is ever even found which is unlikely. I wonder about these people as a whole. I wonder why they are so...so...very NUTS about this stuff. Mohammad isn't Allah, for Christ's sake. He's a doooooooooood. A man. Or does he claim divinity? I dunno that much about it - I do know that innocent people who are trying to fucking calm this area of the world down are getting killed. I thank Allah every day that I'm not a woman living in Muslim-ville.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I wonder why they are so...so...very NUTS about this stuff. Mohammad isn't Allah, for Christ's sake. He's a doooooooooood. A man. Or does he claim divinity?

The Pope is man's connection to god. What the Pope says is god's word. So pedophilia that was all but protected by the church is acceptable. The Pope has even ordered Catholic doctrine to be imposed on US laws. Even abortion debates are only religion imposed on others.

They are only more violent while doing what so many Christians also do? That makes them evil and domestic Christians good?

Nonsense. Religion is only a relationship between one man and his god. The minute any religious belief is imposed on anyone else (ie an ambassador), then the religion is based in Satanism. An honest religion does not care what others say. Because honest religion does not affect any neighbor, iman, priest, rabi, minister, bishop, or religious text. An honest religion is only a relationship between one man and his god. An honest religion does not impose their beliefs on anyone else.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Trilby

This is the sort of thing that gives them all a coat with the same paint brush.

Well that would make them easy to spot.

This probably will be OUR problem and we'll have to do all the legwork/prosecution IF the person is ever even found which is unlikely.

I agree it's highly unlikely. One report said it was a run-of-mill torches & pitchforks mob, like have attacked our embassies around the world many times. But they were accompanied by a handful of very heavily armed men. I realize most everyone over there carries an AK much of the time, but this seemed to indicate most of the mob did not, but this handful carried even more.

I wonder about these people as a whole. I wonder why they are so...so...very NUTS about this stuff. Mohammad isn't Allah, for Christ's sake. He's a doooooooooood. A man. Or does he claim divinity?

He claimed to be a prophet, who set down a guide to better living... like a medieval Martha Stewart. And as I understand it, what he outlined for the followers was pretty cool. However, the movers and shakers who claimed to be leading the masses in his teachings succumbed to the same power trip that the clerics of Jesus, Buddha, Pele, etc, did.

I dunno that much about it - I do know that innocent people who are trying to fucking calm this area of the world down are getting killed.

Who would that be, certainly not the Israelis, NATO, or US... as least not since 2003. Unless you mean just Libya, but that doesn't mean much with the whole region simmering.

[Lamplighter]

He claimed to be a prophet, who set down a guide to better living... like a medieval Martha Stewart.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...the same power trip that the clerics of Jesus, Buddha, Pele, etc, did.

Hmm... I may just have found God.