Ambassador Murdered

[glatt]

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

I also have no answers.

[Rhianne]

Originally Posted by glatt

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

When you come to visit I'll introduce you to my family, I'm sure you'll feel different. From what we see on TV and read on the internet though, you might struggle to convince many of them in return that all Americans are 'live and let live' kind of folk like you.

A non-aggressive post.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Trilby

good post, Ibby. like I said, I was posting hastily. I was pissed off

Yeah. So was I.

But look at what we did. We went to a message board and posted some pretty non-inflammatory words.

I wrote:

Originally Posted by glatt

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

I'd take back that last sentence now. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Muslims are also live and let live. Just look at the numbers. In any angry, rioting, murderous mob you probably have only 1,000 maximum. Probably less than that. But let's say it's 1,000 people per mob.

There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world. So that's like 99.99995% of Muslims that are not attacking US embassies and killing the occupants.

And then the reports trickling in that this may have been a military action, and not a mob that was heavily armed changes the flavor of what actually went down.

When I made that post yesterday, the only news I had heard was that this heavily armed Muslim mob killed the Ambassador because of a YouTube video, and similar mobs were forming in other countries. I only saw reports of Muslims in favor of the mobs. Since then, I've seen a few Muslims condemning those acts of violence, and that's restoring my faith in mankind. I'd like to see more of that. Imagine a huge peace protest. Wouldn't that be cool?

[tw]

Rather interesting is a rumored Isreali, living in California, who is credited with creating that video. He cannot be found. Is rumored to have gone into hiding. His name appears to be ficticous. Just like a super PAC that the Supreme Court said has the right to say anything they can pay for.

According to the Supremes, he has the right to vocalize an opinion as long as it is not a felony and he can pay for it. Therefore any fictional person or corporation can do this. Responsiblity no longer applies.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Rather interesting is a rumored Isreali

Coptic Christian.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3837...copts-film.htm

Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts in Egypt about their treatment by Muslims.

Nakoula denied posing as Bacile, who supposedly is an Israeli Jew, although the Israelis say they have no record of such a person.

Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

You must drink

[glatt]

Apparently the Coptic Christian dude

explained that he was motivated because, “I’m tired of the radical Muslims running around killing everyone.”

How'd that work for ya, Coptic Dude?

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Coptic Christian.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3837...copts-film.htm



Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

You must drink

Listened to a story about this on NPR on the way back from class just now. It's not online yet but will be soon.
Someone called the Associated Press and blamed the video on an Israeli-American, who turned out to not be a real person. The person who called turned out to be Nakoula, the filmmaker - who is on probation after serving two years for an $800,000 bank fraud. One of the terms of his probation was that he not use the Internet - but it was under his israeli-american pseudonym that he posted the video to youtube.
The video itself may not be prosecutable, but we can probably go after the guy on probation violation anyway...

[richlevy]

I didn't hear any of this about the filmmaker until driving home tonight. Surfing the stations I heard two conservative and/or religious station ranting about the attention being given to the filmmaker.

I initially agreed that he had the right to promote his views. If, however, he deliberately posed as an Israeli Jew with the intent to incite violence, then he should have the book thrown at him.

BTW, is it me or is Romney coming off looking bad in all this. He gets the facts wrong, mostly by rushing ahead to beat out the administration, and then pushes forward instead of acknowledging the error. Not a good combination. It's more likely to be a recipe for another 10 year, trillion dollar war.

Hardcore conservatives and pundits like Rush are defending him, but I think he lost points with independents.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

Did you bother to read the second paragraph?

Therefore any fictional person or corporation can do this.

I kept it short and you still missed the point.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by glatt

Since then, I've seen a few Muslims condemning those acts of violence, and that's restoring my faith in mankind. I'd like to see more of that. Imagine a huge peace protest. Wouldn't that be cool?

I don't know if it could be considered huge, but many in Benghazi are one step ahead of you.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...s-libya/56803/

I'm glad to see that. Supposedly a larger percentage of Libyans are still supportive of the US because of our help with overthrowing Qaddafi. According to what Clinton and Obama said in their statements, it was the Libyans who brought the injured Americans to the hospitals.


Edit: And just when we thought we there was hope, protestors in Yemen storm the US embassy there.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...testors/56813/