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piercehawkeye45 01-22-2010 05:20 PM

You really missed the point.

classicman 01-22-2010 05:22 PM

I think a big deal is being made of it. This isn't something new, its been like this for many years.

I'm more interested in other issues - this doesn't even make it onto the list of real concerns I have.

piercehawkeye45 01-22-2010 05:28 PM

You need to realize that this isn't about what any American thinks. It is about what Muslims in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan think. Every since the "war on terror" began, the United States has worked to differentiate it from a "war against Islam" for very obvious reason.

Who cares if someone gets offended? What if that offended person decides that they will join a terrorist group to defend their religion? What if that offended person will refuse to help US forces because they feel the US is attacking their religion?

Once again, this is about image. In Afghanistan, we are working extremely hard to establish and maintain good relations with the local population, but if they feel that our presence there is religious based, all of that will be ruined. The passages were taken off were a reason. And that reason is that those hurt US forces establish and maintain strategic relations with the Islamic population.

lookout123 01-22-2010 05:33 PM

They should be more concerned about why the crosshairs are on them rather than what is etched into the scope.

piercehawkeye45 01-22-2010 06:14 PM

The entire Islamic population? The entire point of taking off the passages off is to tell the majority of the Islamic population that the cross hairs aren't on them.

The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did.

Redux 01-22-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 629331)
The entire Islamic population? The entire point of taking off the passages off is to tell the majority of the Islamic population that the cross hairs aren't on them.

The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did.

Petraeus got it.

The Cellar generals still dont get it.

Undertoad 01-22-2010 09:31 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-...ory?id=9618791

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Trijicon, the gunsight maker that has imprinted Bible verse numbers on its scopes, has announced that it will no longer imprint the verses on the sides of scopes intended for the U.S. military, and will also provide clients with the kits to remove the Bible verse numbers from existing scopes.

monster 01-22-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 629205)
More than one. Heck, you can use the whole Song of Solomon as a stroke book. Really.

Now likening somebody's tummy to a heap of wheat, okay, that's a little out there in simile land for me... but no one could say the Song of Solomon was the writing of a eunuch. It was written by somebody who could spooge.

Didn't i already say that?

Urbane Guerrilla 01-23-2010 12:11 AM

Could be -- I just wanted to say it too. "In my own inimitable... idiom."

xoxoxoBruce 01-23-2010 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 629308)
Nope. I have to highlight it to see anything's there. Sometimes if I see a gap in a post I highlight just to check if I'm missing anything :P

Same here, I've mentioned before it's annoying.

classicman 01-24-2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 629331)
The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did.

I agree.

Redux 01-24-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 629616)
I agree.

It is not just about covering their asses.

It is also a recognition of perceptions...and as was also noted by piercehawkeye...about how it might be perceived by Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan...and understanding the need to be a bit sensitive to those perceptions.

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 628769)
I'm sure that not every single person who is upset by this issue wears panties. But they should.

Trying to picture General Petraeus in panties.

xoxoxoBruce 01-24-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 629627)
It is not just about covering their asses.

It is also a recognition of perceptions...and as was also noted by piercehawkeye...about how it might be perceived by Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan...and understanding the need to be a bit sensitive to those perceptions.

Speaking of perceptions, Mike Yon mentioned in Iraq the locals thought we would never leave because some outfits built, or moved into existing, buildings.
In Afghanistan, the locals feel we're not going to stay, and protect them from the Taliban, because we're living in tents and not building structures.
The local commanders have to be aware of these perceptions, they can win or lose the war.

BigV 01-24-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 628967)
yeah, but they could be used for checking out the showers of the opposite sex. ;)

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 628968)
Hee Hee...is there an appropriate bible verse for that?

Yes. Verse 2.

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Originally Posted by The same source Trijicon uses
David and Bathsheba
1 In the spring of the year, the time when kings go out to battle, David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel. And they ravaged the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained at Jerusalem.

2 It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king’s house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful. 3 And David sent and inquired about the woman. And one said, "Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?"


xoxoxoBruce 01-24-2010 07:34 PM

Scoping her out, was he?


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