100% Whole Grain VS. 100% Wholewheat
 

Any difference?

well, sure. There are more grains than just wheat, you know. Rye, oats, etc.

The BIG difference, and the one you have to watch out for, is bread advertised as "healthy," "wheat," "multi-grain" etc. which is NOT whole grain. You have to check the label. If it just says "wheat flour" or "enriched wheat flour," it's NOT whole wheat.

What about the following:

• Wonder Whole Grain White
• Wonder Whole Grain Wheat
• Wonder Whole Grain Honeywheat
• Nature's Own Honeywheat
• Nature's Own ButterBread
  

I'm technically :p on the South Beach Diet, so I want the nutrition, but good taste is most important to me, and that Earth Grains crap just doesn't do it for me.

Drax, read the ingredients. That's the only way you can be sure.

Anyone have any tips on how to make 100% whole grain bread? I have tried with wheat, but I figure it might be the altitude, as I sit above 6000 feet.

Yes, I know I can do that, but is there any logical reason why I can't ask here?

Did I say don't ask here? Fuck me, I only offered my tuppen'orth of advice.

My point was this: Nature's Own Honeywheat could mean anything. Those are phrases that marketing people have come up with. If you just go off the marketing then you may be misled (which I believe was much what Cloud was saying). If you look at the ingredients you are seeing the raw materials that have gone into the product, rather than the marketing slant.

What about them? If you are asking whether they are whole grain, the only way to tell is if it says "whole wheat flour" or equivalent.

Because we can't see the label from this far away?

Ok, ok, don't get vclept.

That's the brand name, not a marketing phrase.

Here are the ingredients (copied from http://www.naturesownbread.com/NAT_V...&ProductID=9):

UNBLEACHED ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR [FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), FOLIC ACID (A B VITAMIN)], WATER, HONEY, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, RYE FLOUR, WHEAT GLUTEN, WHEAT BRAN, YEAST, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF EACH OF THE FOLLOWING:, SOY FLOUR, VEGETABLE OIL (SOYBEAN OIL OR CANOLA OIL), SALT, DOUGH CONDITIONERS (SODIUM STEAROYL LACTYLATE, CALCIUM STEAROYL-2-LACTYLATE, MONOGLYCERIDES, CALCIUM IODATE, ETHOXYLATED MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, CALCIUM PEROXIDE, DATEM), WHEY (MILK), CULTURED WHEY, VINEGAR, CALCIUM SULFATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, YEAST FOOD (AMMONIUM SULFATE)

and the nutrition label:

I have no idea what vclept is. I do know you were a touchy little cunt and I objected.

A brand name is a marketing phrase. Otherwise they'd just call it BREAD.

sorry, but just what do you think brand names are, hon, if not marketing phrases?

means it's not whole wheat.

On a more serious note, I'd be inclined to avoid the 'High fructose corn syrup'. If it's the stuff I'm thinking of it's seriously bad for you.

although the ingredients list "whole wheat flour," it's far down the ingredient list. For genuine whole wheat bread, it must be the FIRST listed ingredient.


verklempt: all choked up

Actually, I don't either. :p But it was from Mike Myers' "Coffee Talk" on SNL.

see above. cool word.

Something like "Now with half the fat!" babe.

*nods*

Okay, I was perhaps a bit harsh earlier Drax. When I suggested you read the ingredients, I was offering that as genuine advice. My point being that the brand names and cute marketing phrases are designed to obscure, not illuminate the product. Terminology is used to give the impression that what you are buying is healthy when in fact it is far from it. The healthier the bread, the harder it is to keep fresh and freight long distances. Manufacturers utilise ingredients and manufacturing methods which prioritise its saleability and longevity over its healthfulness and then have to hide that fact from us by calling it 'Nature's Own' or 'Wonder Wholegrain White'.

As Cloud points out, the ingredient list is the indicator, but you still have to be careful. They've used 'whole grain' flour and that means they can market it as wholegrain bread...but the wholegrain flour is often a secondary, or even token ingredient, whilst the majority of the flour is heavily refined and nutritionally lacking white flour.

Look at the ingredients. Look fr the stuff you want to find in there (whole grain flour) and look for the stuff you don't want to find in there (hydrogenated vegetable oil, or high fructose corn syrup). BUt also take into account how far up the list an ingredient is, the higher up the list, the greater the quantity of that ingredient.

No Drax. That is a marketing phrase....but so is the brand name.

Oh please. Overconsumption of any sugary substance will do that.

No. It's different to other sugary substances.

It's been implicated in liver disease, bone decalcification, obesity and heart problems.

The body metabolises ordinary fructose differently, breaking it down; with high fructose corn syrup the body doesn't break it down, it is delivered straight to the liver. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that this is causing the liver to become fatty (so the liver ends up resembling that of a force fed pate de fois gras goose). Also, because of the way the high fructose syrup is derived from the original corn starch, it has unbound molecules, rather than the normal bound molecules that one would find in naturally occurring fructose.

mmmmmm foie gras..... wayyyy better than bread.

Ok, I'll take your word for it on those...for now(cuz you don't provide a source), and you forgot Diabetes an sugar comas.

But as for obesity:

Source: http://juliahavey.typepad.com/my_web...la_to_sel.html

BTW Dana McHottie, what's yer word on this one?

Drax, if you really want good bread, you need to avoid the supermarket pre-packaged, pre-sliced stuff. Go to somewhere like Panera or Great Harvest or your local equivalent and ask them what's in it. (Or Whole Foods or Trader Joes) Tell them the diet you're trying to follow and ask their advice.

But if you want to buy the mass produced pre-packaged stuff, Dana's advice is spot on. Compare the labels. She's also spot on about the high-fructose-corn-syrup crap. But she's in the UK. She may not realise how hard it is to avoid that shit over here without paying top dollar.

The list of breads you cite are all crap, frankly. But then I suspect we have different tastes in bread, so it's hard for me to recomend an alternative -European bread is much less sweet than American bread and does not have HFCS in it. We prefer white bread and buy Italian or Vienna bread from the bakery at our local grocery store. Their whole wheat is good too. But it's nowhere near as sweet as the brands you list. If you want to be certain that your bread is good for your needs, buy it from somewhere that bakes it themselves and ask them.

And re the original question -well that was nailed in post 2. Wheat is not the only grain. If it's whole grain, it's whole grain. It can be whole wheat grain, or it can be other grains, or a combination.

My word is ugh.

I'm not Dana, but the ingredient list shows stoneground whole wheat flour as the first ingredient, so yes, it's whole wheat bread.

Why not simply bake your own bread? That way you can be sure to be getting exactly what you want in your diet if it means that much to you.

There wuz no reason to say that. The only reason I directed my post to Dana wuz that she seemed the most helpful at first, but thanks for your input.

Two reasons:

1. Left hand
2. Right Hand

If you can type, you can operate a bread machine. They're pretty cheap these days and the bread is soooo good.

Also, you can buy packets of ready made bread mix. I used to buy a ready made ciabatta flour mix, all I had to add was a little water.

yeah, I have no idea what left hand right hand is supposed to mean.

I think I'll leave you girls to sort this one out.

(talk about biting the hand that feeds you)

I think he means his left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing ;)

Or possibly the disability that has him in a wheelchair also affects the use of his hands.

right. well, I can't read anyone's mind including his. I guess he'll have to get over himself and try communicating if he wants to be understood.

Right. I do have CP, but thank Jehovah it's not too severe or progressive.

Incidentally, the first time I tried to cook was the last.

machines mean you don't have to do it

Ali does have a point, though -you post like you expect everybody to know that. Why should they? very few people read everything. Like maybe 3. People would be more open to help and not feel so unappreciated if you actually explained once in a while. IRL, the wheelchair tells part of your story. here it does not. That has many positive sides, but also a few negatives. help us out with a little explanation now and again, huh?

:lol: Trust me, you don't wanna read my mind.

I thought I as pretty clear.

You may well be an army of one. Which is good sometimes, but.....

you were not clear. you expected me to know what you were on about.

I still have no idea wht you mean anyway because I don't know if you mean Cerebral Palsy or something else when you say CP. I could assume that's what you mean, but I don't generally like making them because usually assumptions are wrong.

I realize life is more challenging for you regardless of your disability, but that doesn't give you the right to be dick and get away with it.

Don't mince your words, now, weill you, Ali? :lol:

Well, when you're on the internet, it's best to be pretty clear about where you stand on these sorts of issues. It's very easy for people to be confused if you expect them to read your mind. ;)

I've had to think about an appropriate response to this one. I don't know if this'll do it, but here goes it:

I don't want anyone to feel unappreciated by me. It's just not always easy for me to explain things, so you'll have to use your imaginations and meet me halfway. Of cousre, there are some things that seem pretty self explanatory.

Now, as for typing, I usually use only my left-hand index finger, and since my palm is resting on the edge of my desk I can guide my finger to the key I need to press, giving me better control. As for, my mouse, pretty much the same thing. I just wish they'd make a one-button, USB optical mouse for the PC. Why should Mac user have all the fun.

I don't see how you can reasonably expect people to 'use their imaginations and meet you half way' when they don't have anything to base their imaginings on except you being a dick. You can't go getting all shitty because someone can't 'imagine' what the challenges are that you face if they have nothing to start with in the first place.

Bye, for good this time.

Cya

Whoah.....hang on a minute. Drax, where ya goin?

Ali, give the kid a break. He posted to the effect he finds it hard to explain himself on the boards.

I see that. I also see that he has not had one word to say in apology for being a dick.

Like I said, just because he has a disability doesn't give him the right to be a dick. Exactly like rkz if you want to compare.

I wasn't suggesting his disability gives him the right to act like a dick...merely that he probably wasn't being deliberately difficult or dickish.

I think he has difficulty communicating himself on the internet. Certainly that's what I got from his attempt at explanation.

I think we got different things from his explanation Dana. lol

i'm sorry, but it doesn't matter how many times I read the posts, I still get the same impression.

He's 37.
The first couple times he came/left I thought he was a kid too though.... about 15ish.

Yah. I have been and looked at his profile and discovered his age.

I didn't realize you didn't know he was an old fart just like us Dana. ;)

After sleeping on it, I still don't feel the need to take back what I said either...btw. lol

As for *that* one, it's clearly *not* 100% wheat, since there is sugar, water, yeast, etc. which are required to make the 100% whole wheat into bread.
The wheat used is 100% whole wheat.

Whoa beau. Aren't we done with this one?

I'm just sayin'...




And here I thought you left a week ago.