90% of Medical Research Is Wrong

xoxoxoBruce · 10-22-2010, 08:57 AM

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Are 90% of all medical studies wrong — including nearly half of those claimed to be the most reliable? That's the provocative claim made by researcher John Ioannidis, profiled in this month's issue of The Atlantic.

Well that's a pretty strong accusation.

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Ioannidis was putting his contentions to the test not against run-of-the-mill research, or even merely well-accepted research, but against the absolute tip of the research pyramid. Of the 49 articles, 45 claimed to have uncovered effective interventions. Thirty-four of these claims had been retested, and 14 of these, or 41 percent, had been convincingly shown to be wrong or significantly exaggerated. If between a third and a half of the most acclaimed research in medicine was proving untrustworthy, the scope and impact of the problem were undeniable. That article was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

I wonder if this applies to other areas beside medicine?

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monster · 10-22-2010, 08:46 PM

I think it's 85% in other areas.

Flint · 10-22-2010, 09:58 PM

I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there.

Shawnee123 · 10-23-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there.

I loved this post!

Flint · 10-23-2010, 12:03 PM

That's an unfiltered brain dump right there...it just popped out.

Clodfobble · 10-23-2010, 02:44 PM

I don't know if this is what you meant by "incentivizing," but in my fantasy government, all that money would be specifically poured into subsidizing organic fruits and vegetables--excluding white potatoes, corn and soy--to the point that they were by far the cheapest way to feed a family. And I'd luxury tax the shit out of processed/convenience foods. It'd be all, "Sorry kids, Dad got laid off at the plant, so it's gonna be sweet potatoes, bell peppers, and pineapples for awhile until we get back on our feet. Pass the kale."

Undertoad · 10-23-2010, 02:46 PM

In other news, Presidential candidate Clodfobble placed 7th in the Iowa caucus, renowned for its corn farmers, and is now considered a long shot.

Clodfobble · 10-23-2010, 04:04 PM

Fuck 'em. This is my fantasy land--I'll be paying them to plow up their corn fields and plant other foods, just like they used to before the government paid them to plow everything up and plant corn.

Pico and ME · 10-23-2010, 04:53 PM

And then when food companies start making really tasty and addicting snacks from those healthier veggies, the tide will totally change.

Clodfobble · 10-23-2010, 05:45 PM

That's when the executions start.

TheMercenary · 10-26-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there.

I agree, but we would have to have laws to force people to do what we want them to do to be healthier, oh wait, we are already starting to do that.

Flint · 10-26-2010, 11:11 AM

But you can't force people to go against their instincts; you have to create a set of conditions where their instincts produce the desired results.

TheMercenary · 10-26-2010, 12:23 PM

As far as I can tell, that has not worked, ever, ever, ever.....look at the obesity, smokers, alcoholics, drug abusers, etc. Take your pick of chronic health conditions related to personal choice......

monster · 10-26-2010, 01:16 PM

Lung cancer seems to be reducing....

http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servi...shots/lung.pdf

Clodfobble · 10-26-2010, 05:16 PM

Austin enacted a city-wide smoking ban a couple of years ago. It was a huge brouhaha at the time, and everyone bitched and bitched about personal liberties, and how the bars were gonna lose business, etc. etc... Except it turned out that downtown nightlife business actually went up, and all but the most hardcore of nicotine addicts used it as an excuse to quit smoking. People will quit their bad habits, but only if you make it truly inconvenient/expensive enough.

10-22-2010, 08:46 PM	#2
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I think it's 85% in other areas. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-22-2010, 09:58 PM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-23-2010, 12:03 PM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	That's an unfiltered brain dump right there...it just popped out. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-23-2010, 02:44 PM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I don't know if this is what you meant by "incentivizing," but in my fantasy government, all that money would be specifically poured into subsidizing organic fruits and vegetables--excluding white potatoes, corn and soy--to the point that they were by far the cheapest way to feed a family. And I'd luxury tax the shit out of processed/convenience foods. It'd be all, "Sorry kids, Dad got laid off at the plant, so it's gonna be sweet potatoes, bell peppers, and pineapples for awhile until we get back on our feet. Pass the kale." __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-23-2010, 04:04 PM	#8
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Fuck 'em. This is my fantasy land--I'll be paying them to plow up their corn fields and plant other foods, just like they used to before the government paid them to plow everything up and plant corn. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-23-2010, 02:46 PM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In other news, Presidential candidate Clodfobble placed 7th in the Iowa caucus, renowned for its corn farmers, and is now considered a long shot.

10-23-2010, 04:53 PM	#9
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	And then when food companies start making really tasty and addicting snacks from those healthier veggies, the tide will totally change.

10-23-2010, 05:45 PM	#10
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	That's when the executions start. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-26-2010, 11:11 AM	#12
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	But you can't force people to go against their instincts; you have to create a set of conditions where their instincts produce the desired results. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2010, 12:23 PM	#13
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	As far as I can tell, that has not worked, ever, ever, ever.....look at the obesity, smokers, alcoholics, drug abusers, etc. Take your pick of chronic health conditions related to personal choice...... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-26-2010, 01:16 PM	#14
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Lung cancer seems to be reducing.... http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servi...shots/lung.pdf __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-26-2010, 05:16 PM	#15
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Austin enacted a city-wide smoking ban a couple of years ago. It was a huge brouhaha at the time, and everyone bitched and bitched about personal liberties, and how the bars were gonna lose business, etc. etc... Except it turned out that downtown nightlife business actually went up, and all but the most hardcore of nicotine addicts used it as an excuse to quit smoking. People will quit their bad habits, but only if you make it truly inconvenient/expensive enough. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

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