DIY Illegal Immigration, The "safe" way

[lookout123]

I've only seen this on a couple of blog sites and Foxnews (yes, i know cellarites deep love of Fox), and i find it interesting that no one else wants to cover this story.

In Arizona we've seen groups sue the government for not providing water stations in the desert for illegals, "Day Work Stations" constructed with tax money for illegals so that people can hire them as day labor, a governor who "might" support driver's licenses for illegals, and vetoed the bill requiring showing some form of ID before casting a ballot in an election, and currently she is doing her best to block a proposition that was just passed requiring state workers to notify authorities when illegals apply for state aid.

Illegal immigration is a huge issue down here and now we are getting even more help from our friends to the south. It seems that the Mexican government has published and is distributing a pamphlet to help the unitiated learn the correct way to jump the border. Yet no one in the media outside of the right wing news providers seems to care. I don't see this as a left/right issue as much as a national security and legal issue. We have laws dictating how, when, and where individuals may enter this country. Many in our own government look the other way in the name of political correctness and now the Mexican government is providing even more encouragement to its citizens to cross the border illegally.

The book's main focus seems to be instructing people on how to cross the border safely. For example, it warns Mexicans that when crossing the border, "thick clothing increases your weight when wet and makes it difficult to swim or float" and "if you cross in the desert, try to walk when the heat is not as intense."

Fox Story

[xoxoxoBruce]

I wonder what it would cost to buy a 100' wide strip of land running parallel with the border?

[lookout123]

not that much honestly. that land is relatively cheap because of all the abuse it receives from the border crossers.

you're not thinking of landmines and snipers, are you? if you are, there were a small group of ranchers practicing their sniping skills awhile back and cops put a stop to it. but there are an awful lot of bodies buried out in the desert, the way i understand it.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'd rather deter them than kill them.

[lookout123]

me too. i'm not really advocating turning anyone into swiss cheese. but it is difficult to deter them when you've got bush giving them amnesty under a different name, (didn't they do something like that in the '80's?), governors ignoring or subverting the will of state's (legal) residents, and the leadership of mexico encouraging their people to move north because of all the cash they take back into mexico.

what happened with the ranchers was actually some of them were taking wing shots at illegals who were trespassing on their property. a significant percentage of our prison population are here illegally, the courts are full of them, drop houses are busted frequently with 100+ illegals in them, auto accidents with uninsured illegals, etc.

something real needs to be done, but the politicians want to pander to the hispanic vote, and most people are afraid of being un-PC so they don't speak out. What exactly are we supposed to do? The government won't do it's job in securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws.

[Troubleshooter]

Like most real problems it's going to end up having to be solved at teh bottom instead of by the people at the top like it we pay taxes for.

[xoxoxoBruce]

auto accidents with uninsured illegals,

I can vouch for that!

[russotto]

Well, since the US government is supposed to be full of evil imperialists, the US could just annex the place, make it a protectorate of some sort. Put Richard Daley or Marion Barry or one of the Streets in charge, because you need someone who understands corruption in the blue-collar Democratic way.

[warch]

This is mostly about economics. You dont have illegal immigrant workers you dont have new apartments buildings, roofs, or chicken pieces at the grocery store. The machine grinds to a halt. Arizona is in dire need of more housing and continued chicken. Ive seen that boom.

I've rethought. This is all about economics.

[lookout123]

sorry warch, if we are in dire need of workers, then there are plenty on the unemployment rolls. if there are jobs that we can't fill with citizens, they can probably be filled with workers with proper visa's.

if we need more after that, then we can open up the borders to a larger number of legal immigrants. you know? those ones that actually follow the laws? i'm not anti-immigration, i'm extremely disgusted with illegal immigration. do you know who ridicules illegals more than anyone else? legal immigrants. the racial epithets they throw at the dayworkers would make a clansman bluch.

as far as economics, there are millions of dollars mailed to mexico, from the illegal workers up here. Mexico absolutely loves illegal immigration to the US, it pumps $$ into their economy.

BTW - if you've ever been in a border town and watched extremely pregnant women pacing in the parking lots, what you are watching is someone planning to create a new US citizen and beat the system. they pace back and forth until labor begins then they make sure they are on the US side, call for help, go to a US hospital, squeeze one out and tada! instant ticket to the US. Did you know the number one name for baby boys in arizona for 2004 was Jose? it wouldn't be a matter of concern if more of the mothers were here legally. but now, they have the ability to stay in the US and their children qualify for public aid. it's just ridiculous.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The machine grinds to a halt.

Naw, just a smidgen less profitable.

[Undertoad]

Econ 101 says that once the illegal workers are prohibited from crossing the border and it becomes harder to build things with legal workers, the salary of the legal workers will rise... thus cruelly increasing the incentive for both the illegals and the people who would hire them... and actually worsening the problem.

I doubt you can solve this one even with the military on the border.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Solve it? No. But I'll bet the military could stop it....immediately. But that won't happen because it's a political football.
Econ 101 says supply and demand controls wages. The gumint controls the labor supply by either looking the other way or allowing more legal immigration.
I would prefer the later. I don't object to them coming to work, just coming to leach which many of the illegals end up doing. It's not always their fault in that most want to work but without papers they are excluded from many jobs. Also being illegal little things like drivers licenses, insurance and taxes are not in their domain.

[lookout123]

UT, i support increased LEGAL immigration, if they start enforcing the immigration laws that are on the books. there are ways to decrease ilegal immigration without shooting them at the border. Making it really painful for companies that employ them would be a good start. when police run across illegals, actually arresting them would be useful. and like prop. 200 in arizona was about, hold government officials accountable for enforcing the laws that are already on the books.

[cowhead]

honestly I don't know much about the immigration issue from a border dwellers perspective.. and after all we are all illegal immigrants as such (although I don't really want to start in on that, and aside from that conquest of foriegn lands has always been a speciality of the human race).. anyway! 'round here (well Kansas City anyway) it has become very very difficult to find work in foodservice, as the owners are mostly syphoning the work off to people who will work for 1/2 as much and in all honesty work about 30% harder... which in some repspects I'm okay with.. on a side note when I lived in south carolina our dishwasher Mario, was an illegal alien.. the weird thing is that back in Brazil he had been a radio DJ..and he couldn't make enough there, so he and his pregnant wife snuck into this country and worked their asses off for about two years and then went home again.. and therein lies my problem.. if it came right down to 'brass tacks' I would do the same thingm if the legal entry into a country was not possible. I don't like that it does happen, however.. it does and in some cases I don't disagree with it.

oh and on another side note, about 5 years ago I was going to move to Ireland, had a Job lined up and everything, the thing is that I couldn't get a work Visa, but I really thought about going anyway.. and the Business that was going to hire me said 'oh, well that won't be a problem.. we'll pay you in cash' so.. I dunno it's an odd situation.