Ladies and Gentlemen, the pilot has been temporarily blinded

Kitsune · 01-15-2005, 05:01 PM

Does this set off any "BS" alarms with anyone else besides me?

Laser Blinds Pilot

Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was simply using the hand-held device to look at stars with his daughter on the family's deck. She said Banach bought the device on the Internet for $100 for his job testing fiber-optic cable.

The jet, a chartered Cessna Citation, was coming in for a landing last Wednesday with six people aboard when a green light beam struck the windshield three times at about 3,000 feet, according to court documents. The flash temporarily blinded both the pilot and co-pilot, but they were later able to land the plane safely, authorities said.

A laser for $100 that could temporarily blind a pilot travelling at an altitude of 3,000 feet? And since he couldn't be overhead, he'd have to be further away than that. Even shelling out $100 for a laser wouldn't give it blinding powers from that far away.

And its a green laser. For testing fiber optic cable. Doesn't communications-grade fiber always used 650nm (red) laser light?

And around the country, various people have been using green lasers they bought on the internet to temporarily blind pilots. Uh-huh. Very little of this sounds right to be for some reason.

Troubleshooter · 01-15-2005, 05:26 PM

I knew I'd seen these around before, but I couldn't find them.

Here you go: (emphasis mine) from XADS

From their online store:

" XADS does not sell StunStrike weapons to the general public, but we do offer some other items for sale through our online store."

The Photonic Disruptor series of laser dazzlers are designed to flash-blind and disorient an aggressor with eye-safe lasers. The products under the Photonic Disruptor series include:

* The PDLP - Personal Defense Laser Pointer, a high powered, green beam laser pointer. As a presentational aid, the PDLP offers an acute range with a protracted reach of up to 200 meters. Because of the intensity and built-in adjustability of this beam, the PDLP can also be utilized as a potent deterrent against a potential attacker by delivering a disorienting effect from an extended distance. The PDLP is a practical and convenient tool for the individual with personal safety in mind. Available now at our online store.
* PD/G - Photonic Disruptor/Green; a long-range, much more powerful green laser system for military and law-enforcement applications, with effective ranges of up to 2000 meters.
* BluDazzle™; the first Blue Beam dazzler available for military and law enforcement applications; it is a medium range (500 meters) weapon with the ability to defeat green laser filters.

Dazzlers offer a lower cost alternative to lethal force in some circumstances, particularly at night. The systems will work in daylight, but to a much lesser degree. However, as we develop our technology, we will make what we do have available for the protection of our customers.

SteveDallas · 01-15-2005, 05:31 PM

I don't know what to make of any of that. What I do know is that many places that sell astronomy stuff are selling green laser pointers (example) to allow you to point out specific items of interest in the sky. So, there are now significantly more green laser pointers being aimed into the air than there were, say a year ago.

Kitsune · 01-15-2005, 05:46 PM

Dazzlers are disturbingly neat devices. A History Channel demonstration shows that they are so bright they blind and the rate of flashing makes them almost nauseating to look into. They'll put you on the ground, quick.

The green laser pointers are much more noticeable than the red ones, but they still only have a maximum output of 5mW. I don't see how that could possibly blind or even be visible by a pilot.

Mmm... green is pretty, though.

Of course, when speaking of lasers and other really cool stuff, one can not possibly go on without mentioning the truly amazing stuff available out there! Oh, baby -- 100mW in green...

Troubleshooter · 01-15-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Of course, when speaking of lasers and other really cool stuff, one can not possibly go on without mentioning the truly amazing stuff available out there! Oh, baby -- 100mW in green...

No shit, I'd like to add the EMP400 to my car, firing out of the rear at those monkeys that insist on auto audio that vibrates my rear-view mirrors.

jaguar · 01-15-2005, 06:59 PM

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The power of the 100 milliwatt system is easily demonstrated by pointing the laser at a flat black surface and note the impact point burning and smoking.

Now....where can I buy a shark...

Beestie · 01-15-2005, 08:17 PM

I started hearing about this last November.

While the sucker who got busted for it was probably just fooling around (not minimizing what he did - just saying I don't think he was up to no good).

My real concern is that some of these are tests/preludes to laser-guided rockets.

Troubleshooter · 01-15-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

I started hearing about this last November.

While the sucker who got busted for it was probably just fooling around (not minimizing what he did - just saying I don't think he was up to no good).

My real concern is that some of these are tests/preludes to laser-guided rockets.

Nah, you don't need lasers that are that powerful or even visible to the naked eye for that matter.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-15-2005, 08:52 PM

And for the do it yourselfers;

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Troubleshooter · 01-15-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And for the do it yourselfers;...

Yeah, Information Unlimited has been a favorite browsing (read as post lottery winning) spot for long time now.

Oh the fun to be had...

Roosta · 01-16-2005, 09:31 AM

Is it just my imagination gone silly or does that Banach fella look like a chunky Michael Douglas from ten years ago sporting a quiff?

lookout123 · 01-16-2005, 09:53 AM

this is happening at several airports around the country. there were a couple of reports at Phoenix Sky Harbor last week. if it was just one incident i wouldn't give it another thought, but do we really have that many idiots in the country that don't understand that pointing a laser at a cockpit is a bad thing?

richlevy · 01-16-2005, 11:43 AM

Can someone explain to me how a person, without a scope, can hit a 4x2 foot group of windows with a pin-point laser of a jet going 200-300 mph and at least 3000 feet away?

jaguar · 01-17-2005, 04:06 PM

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Can someone explain to me how a person, without a scope, can hit a 4x2 foot group of windows with a pin-point laser of a jet going 200-300 mph and at least 3000 feet away?

From below as well.

mdease · 01-28-2005, 08:51 PM

Wow. You can tell that it is rather unfounded if they needed to use the Patriot Act to get the arrest warrent...

01-15-2005, 05:01 PM	#1
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Ladies and Gentlemen, the pilot has been temporarily blinded Does this set off any "BS" alarms with anyone else besides me? Laser Blinds Pilot Banach's lawyer, Gina Mendola-Longarzo, said her client was simply using the hand-held device to look at stars with his daughter on the family's deck. She said Banach bought the device on the Internet for $100 for his job testing fiber-optic cable. The jet, a chartered Cessna Citation, was coming in for a landing last Wednesday with six people aboard when a green light beam struck the windshield three times at about 3,000 feet, according to court documents. The flash temporarily blinded both the pilot and co-pilot, but they were later able to land the plane safely, authorities said. A laser for $100 that could temporarily blind a pilot travelling at an altitude of 3,000 feet? And since he couldn't be overhead, he'd have to be further away than that. Even shelling out $100 for a laser wouldn't give it blinding powers from that far away. And its a green laser. For testing fiber optic cable. Doesn't communications-grade fiber always used 650nm (red) laser light? And around the country, various people have been using green lasers they bought on the internet to temporarily blind pilots. Uh-huh. Very little of this sounds right to be for some reason.

01-15-2005, 05:26 PM	#2
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I knew I'd seen these around before, but I couldn't find them. Here you go: (emphasis mine) from XADS From their online store: " XADS does not sell StunStrike weapons to the general public, but we do offer some other items for sale through our online store." The Photonic Disruptor series of laser dazzlers are designed to flash-blind and disorient an aggressor with eye-safe lasers. The products under the Photonic Disruptor series include: * The PDLP - Personal Defense Laser Pointer, a high powered, green beam laser pointer. As a presentational aid, the PDLP offers an acute range with a protracted reach of up to 200 meters. Because of the intensity and built-in adjustability of this beam, the PDLP can also be utilized as a potent deterrent against a potential attacker by delivering a disorienting effect from an extended distance. The PDLP is a practical and convenient tool for the individual with personal safety in mind. Available now at our online store. * PD/G - Photonic Disruptor/Green; a long-range, much more powerful green laser system for military and law-enforcement applications, with effective ranges of up to 2000 meters. * BluDazzle™; the first Blue Beam dazzler available for military and law enforcement applications; it is a medium range (500 meters) weapon with the ability to defeat green laser filters. Dazzlers offer a lower cost alternative to lethal force in some circumstances, particularly at night. The systems will work in daylight, but to a much lesser degree. However, as we develop our technology, we will make what we do have available for the protection of our customers. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

01-15-2005, 08:17 PM	#7
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	I started hearing about this last November. While the sucker who got busted for it was probably just fooling around (not minimizing what he did - just saying I don't think he was up to no good). My real concern is that some of these are tests/preludes to laser-guided rockets. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

01-15-2005, 08:52 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And for the do it yourselfers; Make A Green Laser Pointer Up To 500 Times Brighter Than Anything Currently Available!!! Diode Pumped Solid State Up To 300 mw Output 532 nm Green Battery Operated High Efficiency LAGRN1DP - Data Pack - Information on "How to Build" , includes CWL5 plans.......................$20.00 __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-16-2005, 09:31 AM	#11
Roosta Nutter. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: England Posts: 221	Is it just my imagination gone silly or does that Banach fella look like a chunky Michael Douglas from ten years ago sporting a quiff? __________________ Back from the brink...

01-15-2005, 05:31 PM	#3
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	I don't know what to make of any of that. What I do know is that many places that sell astronomy stuff are selling green laser pointers (example) to allow you to point out specific items of interest in the sky. So, there are now significantly more green laser pointers being aimed into the air than there were, say a year ago.

01-15-2005, 05:46 PM	#4
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Dazzlers are disturbingly neat devices. A History Channel demonstration shows that they are so bright they blind and the rate of flashing makes them almost nauseating to look into. They'll put you on the ground, quick. The green laser pointers are much more noticeable than the red ones, but they still only have a maximum output of 5mW. I don't see how that could possibly blind or even be visible by a pilot. Mmm... green is pretty, though. Of course, when speaking of lasers and other really cool stuff, one can not possibly go on without mentioning the truly amazing stuff available out there! Oh, baby -- 100mW in green...

01-16-2005, 09:53 AM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	this is happening at several airports around the country. there were a couple of reports at Phoenix Sky Harbor last week. if it was just one incident i wouldn't give it another thought, but do we really have that many idiots in the country that don't understand that pointing a laser at a cockpit is a bad thing? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-16-2005, 11:43 AM	#13
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Can someone explain to me how a person, without a scope, can hit a 4x2 foot group of windows with a pin-point laser of a jet going 200-300 mph and at least 3000 feet away? __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

01-28-2005, 08:51 PM	#15
mdease Jotter of Notes Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	Wow. You can tell that it is rather unfounded if they needed to use the Patriot Act to get the arrest warrent...

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