If it bleeds...

Pangloss62 · 07-22-2006, 03:20 PM

...it might be related to some insane guy with a kitchen knife.

I REALLY don't want to begin another APD debate (that was torturous), but this dude did say "I'm insane. I wish I was never born." which, while not really "proving" anything, makes one wonder how his trial will go down in court.

Another interesting note is how a citizen stopped him with his gun.

They recently passed a law here in GA making it legal to use (fire?) guns if you "feel" your life is in danger. It got a lot of people (pacifists) upset. The NRA loves these kinds of stories:

2 Recovering After Tenn. Knife Attack
By WOODY BAIRD
Associated Press Writer

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) -- Two victims of a knife-wielding grocery store employee remained hospitalized Saturday after the man attacked eight co-workers and was finally stopped by a witness who pulled a gun, authorities said.

Elartrice Ingram, 21, was charged with nine counts of attempted first-degree murder, police said. The attack Friday apparently stemmed from a work dispute, investigators said.

Ingram was taken to a hospital complaining of chest pains Friday before being released to police. He was in jail Saturday and was expected to appear in court Tuesday, according to a Shelby County Sheriff's Office database. It was not immediately known whether he had an attorney.

Two women remained hospitalized Saturday, one in serious condition, and the other in fair condition. The other victims were treated and released, according to a nursing supervisor at the Regional Medical Center.

Seven were stabbed, while another suffered heat-related symptoms while being chased, police said. Another person was threatened, resulting in the nine charges against Ingram, The Commercial Appeal reported.

Ingram, chasing one victim into the store's parking lot, was subdued by Chris Cope, manager of a financial services office in the same small shopping center, Memphis Police Sgt. Vince Higgins said.

Cope said he grabbed a 9mm semiautomatic pistol from his pickup truck when he saw the attacker chasing the victim "like something in a serial killer movie."

"When he turned around and saw my pistol, he threw the knife away, put his hands up and got on the ground," Cope told The Associated Press. "He saw my gun and that was pretty much it."

Police arrived within minutes and took the Ingram into custody.

"He just kept saying, 'I'm insane. I wish I was never born' and that kind of stuff," Cope said.

The attack started in an employee area of the Schnucks supermarket on the outskirts of Memphis. All the victims were employees of the store and no customers were involved, Higgins said.

Police said two large kitchen knives used in the attack were found at the scene.

Witness Frank Rector said the attacker held a knife high in a stabbing position as he chased a victim into the parking lot. The victim, Rector said, "was circling, trying to get away from him."

Higgins said police were pulling into the parking lot as Cope was confronting Ingram.

"We commend him," Higgins said. "But we don't encourage people to take that kind of risk. He could have been hurt."© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Trilby · 07-22-2006, 04:13 PM

He just kept saying, 'I'm insane. I wish I was never born' and that kind of stuff," Cope said.

it's good that he's establishing his defense right away.

Pangloss62 · 07-22-2006, 04:29 PM

I thought about that, if he really started thinking about how to establish an insanity defense BEFORE any lawyers got involved. Now he's got a guy quoted in the newspaper saying he heard him say "I'm insane." That said, stabbing that many co-workers in the first place is not "normal" behavior; or is it? Maybe it's psychologically normal but ethically immoral? Oh God, here we go again.

Pangloss62 · 07-22-2006, 04:40 PM

I should have said "ethically questionable" rather than invoke morality. Ethics and morals are two distinct categories. At least that's what I think.

MaggieL · 07-22-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

"But we don't encourage people to take that kind of risk. He could have been hurt."

Yes, obviously he should have called the cops and let this twitch slice up a few more people while waiting for them to arrive.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-22-2006, 06:36 PM

Just making a politically correct statement to cover their ass, in case the next person that tries to intercede gets hurt and blames the cops for commending this guy. Sick, ain't it?

07-22-2006, 03:20 PM	#1
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	If it bleeds... ...it might be related to some insane guy with a kitchen knife. I REALLY don't want to begin another APD debate (that was torturous), but this dude did say "I'm insane. I wish I was never born." which, while not really "proving" anything, makes one wonder how his trial will go down in court. Another interesting note is how a citizen stopped him with his gun. They recently passed a law here in GA making it legal to use (fire?) guns if you "feel" your life is in danger. It got a lot of people (pacifists) upset. The NRA loves these kinds of stories: 2 Recovering After Tenn. Knife Attack By WOODY BAIRD Associated Press Writer MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) -- Two victims of a knife-wielding grocery store employee remained hospitalized Saturday after the man attacked eight co-workers and was finally stopped by a witness who pulled a gun, authorities said. Elartrice Ingram, 21, was charged with nine counts of attempted first-degree murder, police said. The attack Friday apparently stemmed from a work dispute, investigators said. Ingram was taken to a hospital complaining of chest pains Friday before being released to police. He was in jail Saturday and was expected to appear in court Tuesday, according to a Shelby County Sheriff's Office database. It was not immediately known whether he had an attorney. Two women remained hospitalized Saturday, one in serious condition, and the other in fair condition. The other victims were treated and released, according to a nursing supervisor at the Regional Medical Center. Seven were stabbed, while another suffered heat-related symptoms while being chased, police said. Another person was threatened, resulting in the nine charges against Ingram, The Commercial Appeal reported. Ingram, chasing one victim into the store's parking lot, was subdued by Chris Cope, manager of a financial services office in the same small shopping center, Memphis Police Sgt. Vince Higgins said. Cope said he grabbed a 9mm semiautomatic pistol from his pickup truck when he saw the attacker chasing the victim "like something in a serial killer movie." "When he turned around and saw my pistol, he threw the knife away, put his hands up and got on the ground," Cope told The Associated Press. "He saw my gun and that was pretty much it." Police arrived within minutes and took the Ingram into custody. "He just kept saying, 'I'm insane. I wish I was never born' and that kind of stuff," Cope said. The attack started in an employee area of the Schnucks supermarket on the outskirts of Memphis. All the victims were employees of the store and no customers were involved, Higgins said. Police said two large kitchen knives used in the attack were found at the scene. Witness Frank Rector said the attacker held a knife high in a stabbing position as he chased a victim into the parking lot. The victim, Rector said, "was circling, trying to get away from him." Higgins said police were pulling into the parking lot as Cope was confronting Ingram. "We commend him," Higgins said. "But we don't encourage people to take that kind of risk. He could have been hurt."© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

07-22-2006, 04:13 PM	#2
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	He just kept saying, 'I'm insane. I wish I was never born' and that kind of stuff," Cope said. it's good that he's establishing his defense right away. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

07-22-2006, 04:29 PM	#3
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	I thought about that, if he really started thinking about how to establish an insanity defense BEFORE any lawyers got involved. Now he's got a guy quoted in the newspaper saying he heard him say "I'm insane." That said, stabbing that many co-workers in the first place is not "normal" behavior; or is it? Maybe it's psychologically normal but ethically immoral? Oh God, here we go again. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

07-22-2006, 04:40 PM	#4
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	I should have said "ethically questionable" rather than invoke morality. Ethics and morals are two distinct categories. At least that's what I think. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

07-22-2006, 06:36 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Just making a politically correct statement to cover their ass, in case the next person that tries to intercede gets hurt and blames the cops for commending this guy. Sick, ain't it? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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