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China Tightening Control Over Tibet
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Dammit, thats just what everyone needs, huh?
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A little ray of hope there, eh Ibram?
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The Dalai Lama is like a whack-a-mole, if the Chinese government takes him out, another one will pop right up. Therefore, their best bet is to keep him alive, keep him weak, and discredit him.
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Free Tibet
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erika
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I have a Free Tibet sticker on my stickerbass, and I would have put it on the car if my dad would've let me.
My biggest problem with the issue is the (totally predictable and unsuprising) way the Reds paint the Dalai Lama as a subversive militant revolutionary murderer on par with El Che, as opposed to one of the only religious leaders that actually preaches peace, love, and all that good stuff.
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Yep. They have done something very similar for the reputation of the Falun Gong practitioners in China. Painted them as an evil, dangerous sect, when in reality theyre a bunch of disparate individuals, usually with health problems who practice a series of meditative techniques in order to improve general health and well being. They dont have a 'membership' as such. In order to be a Falun Gong practitioner you just do the exercises and follow a buddhist-like set of principles.
For this great crime thousands have been arrested, discredited, financially ruined, incarcerated, tortured or had their organs harvested (often whilst still alive and, at least initally, conscious.) |
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I think you missed the most horrific part of that which was "and, at least initially, conscious". There's a very disturbing confession by a Chinese doctor in Canada.
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We have to go back, Kate!
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I'll have to go find it. It was sent to me via email by a contingent of Falun Gong practitioners in the UK who are on an awareness raising tour. What I found most troubling were some of the reports and evidence gathered by Canadians (don't know why, they are at the forefront of this one) Amnesty and the Human Rights Watch.
I also met a couple of women who are over here in hiding. Their stories were difficult to listen to. You would think listening to someone say their story in chinese whilst an interpreter translates chunks at a time, would create a distance, make it easier to hear. It didn't. I sat there and looked into the eyes of this 65 year old Chinese lady and heard her tale. Heard of the five years she spent in hiding, in appaling conditions, with no heating (think how cold a chinese winter can get) and no water supply, just sneaking out every so often to get the things she and her husband needed, risking arrest each time. I'll not go into the whole tale. I'll dig out the info for you 3foot. But it'll be tomorrow, it's probably on the computer at the Town Hall. |
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Were the 65 year old lady and her husband being sought by the government for practicing Falun Gong?
What happens if they renounce the practice...just say, OK, we don't do that any more? Would the government say; a- OK, you can go, but we're watching you? b- It doesn't matter, you did it, it was a crime, you have to pay the price? c- OK, we won't kill you but you're going to deprogramming & reeducation? ![]()
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Thats a very good question Bruce.
The lady in question began Falun Gong, because she had very bad health problems. After practising for a year or so, her health was much improved. At the time when she began practising, the Chinese government were wholly supportive of the practice and actively encouraged people to take it up due to the profound health benefits which were being reported. Unfortunately when it became clear that there were roughly twice as many people following this practice as there were in the Communist party, they began to see it as a potential threat. They banned its practice and brought in draconian measures against it. The people who had been practising it were bemused by this. When reports began to circulate about the 'evil' practices of this 'dangerous sect', They (rather naively)thought the government must have been given wrong information and a large contingent of them went to beijing to tell the government the truth, to show them that they weren't the evil people they'd been painted as. They were arrested. Many disappeared, \many were tortured. Then the over 60s were released, including this woman. She stopped practising. Her health began to fail again, she took it up again secretly. Someone ( a neighbour she thinks) grassed on her and she was rearrested. Her experiences radicalised her as they did many others. She lost many friends during the initial crackdown. Some are still in prison ( sentenced to three years, released then rearrested as they leave and sentenced again). The state media has conducted an onslaught , discrediting the practice and the people who follow it. Those who did not know much about it now think these people are wicked and traitorous and to be feared and hated. This lady and a few others conducted a secret leaflet campaign to try and get the truth out. She became dangerous and was treated as a threat. Incredibly brave woman. Doesn't look like much. Just a small woman with a very quiet demeanour and a lot of dead freinds. Last edited by DanaC; 08-20-2006 at 04:31 PM. |
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cf Reich's Orgone Accumulator.
Moral of the story? Keep your freak flag neatly folded in your sock drawer.
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