Is Barack Obama's Church Racist?

3/03/2007
Is Barack Obama's Church Racist?From the Trinity United Church of Christ web site:

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
Do you think that if Mitt Romney's local church talked about the White Community, White Institutions, and the White Value System that it would have gotten more attention from the Liberal Media than this has? (via Marquette Warrior)

You should have heard the stupidity that was said by Paula Zahnidiot and crew tonight about this.
One guy said white was not a race but black was (apparently Irish and Finnish are two different races but Moroccan and Botswanan are identical peoples )

I am so SICK of this... if a manifesto like this with the word white instead of black got out attached to a fraternity, church or organization... particularly a TAX EXEMPT one, OMG!

It's funny, speaking of frats, I'd like to see a frat like the Omegas, an all black frat, that is predominantly white decide to say that they are going to cater only to whites. Not just Irish, Welsh and Scotts... just whites.
See how it goes over.
The black frats (I was a bouncer a couple of times for FAMU parties) do not just accept Nigerians or Ugandans. It would be the same thing.
As always.
Racism is racism is racism.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You should have heard the stupidity that was said by Paula Zahnidiot and crew tonight about this.
One guy said white was not a race but black was (apparently Irish and Finnish are two different races but Moroccan and Botswanan are identical peoples )

Imagine that.

It's funny, speaking of frats, I'd like to see a frat like the Omegas, an all black frat, that is predominantly white decide to say that they are going to cater only to whites. Not just Irish, Welsh and Scotts... just whites.
See how it goes over.
The black frats (I was a bouncer a couple of times for FAMU parties) do not just accept Nigerians or Ugandans. It would be the same thing.
As always.
Racism is racism is racism.

Funny, I said the same thing about that situation when I was in college in the 70's, funny how things have not changed much.

Wild, our first real possibility for a black president and he is a racist.
He named his book after a sermon by this minister... this is his base.


If this is him on television, on his best behavior, I want to see him on a bad day!

[piercehawkeye45]

*shakes head and walks away*

[King]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You should have heard the stupidity that was said by Paula Zahnidiot and crew tonight about this.
One guy said white was not a race but black was (apparently Irish and Finnish are two different races but Moroccan and Botswanan are identical peoples

As far as I understand it, a race is just a population that is on it's way to speciation, and so where you draw the line between who is of the same race and who is of different races is a man-made decision, and so you could draw the line pretty much anywhere, hence it can be abused like this. But I could be wrong about the science of it, I'm only an A-level Biology student.

What I am saying is that all whites are of the same race and all blacks are of the same race... personally I think we are all the same race with a little melanin difference and there should be NO difference in treatment in any way regarding color or sex.
This backs me up.
If you want a group treated differently, you are a racist, clearly.

Encyclopedia
race
race, one of the group of populations regarded as constituting humanity. The differences that have historically determined the classification into races are predominantly physical aspects of appearance that are generally hereditary. Genetically a race may be defined as a group with gene frequencies differing from those of the other groups in the human species (see heredity; genetics; gene), but the genes responsible for the hereditary differences between the traditional races are extremely few when compared with the vast number of genes common to all human beings regardless of the race to which they belong. Many physical anthropologists now believe that, because there is as much genetic variation among the members of any given race as there is between the groups identified as different races, the concept of race is unscientific and unsound and racial categories are arbitrary designations. The term race is inappropriate when applied to national, religious, geographic, linguistic, or ethnic groups, nor can the physical appearances associated with race be equated with mental characteristics, such as intelligence, personality, or character.

All human groups belong to the same species (Homo sapiens) and are mutually fertile. Races arose as a result of mutation, selection, and adaptational changes in human populations. The nature of genetic variation in human beings indicates there has been a common evolution for all races and that racial differentiation occurred relatively late in the history of Homo sapiens. Theories postulating the very early emergence of racial differentiation have been advanced (e.g., C. S. Coon, The Origin of Races, 1962), but they are now scientifically discredited.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It's funny, speaking of frats, I'd like to see a frat like the Omegas, an all black frat, that is predominantly white decide to say that they are going to cater only to whites.

Why do you think black frats (or black or whatever anything) were started in the first place--because not all that long ago, such institutions only catered to whites. They weren't started with exclusionary intent, but because they were excluded. You can't realistically expect, because things only started to change 3 or 4 decades ago, that all so-called black institutions would magically dissipate.

I'm not really familiar with fraternities in general, but I do know that the "black" frat at Colorado College accepted men of all races.

I think you're taking the Black Ethics the wrong way. To me, it just sounds like a community striving to repair and strengthen itself; overcome the effects of longtime slavery, racism/segregation and poverty. You should read the whole website: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

I can expect them to accept all races now, absolutely, just as they expect to be accepted elsewhere.
Ethics are ethics.
I have read the subject matter, on other sites and some books.
One of my best friends is a black muslim, we "discuss" this often, he has given me books and material. Some of which were the black ethics of christian background
They are identical to the white identity groups in many ways.
I have said many times, racism will go away when we recognize that race is just a melanin difference, we are all one race.
Anyone who treats one shade different than another, in a positive or negative way, is a racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nleckpQVyE

[xoxoxoBruce]

Given the opportunity and wherewithal to help themselves and each other, they're bound to push it to the max. After awhile they'll see returning to center is to their advantage.
It won't be quickly, maybe two generations or more, but they'll see the white resentment it creates only hurts their goals.
Eventually whites will learn that too.
Even the Hatfields and McCoys learned eventually.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Given the opportunity and wherewithal to help themselves and each other, they're bound to push it to the max. After awhile they'll see returning to center is to their advantage.
It won't be quickly, maybe two generations or more, but they'll see the white resentment it creates only hurts their goals.
Eventually whites will learn that too.
Even the Hatfields and McCoys learned eventually.

Yea but do you think we will continue to have more violent clashes, ala the LA riots, before that ever comes to happen? I hope not. But I contend that the differences are just getting greater and the divide is getting larger, esp economically.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'll bet you a years pay not one black fraternity will be involves in LA clashes.

[King]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

What I am saying is that all whites are of the same race and all blacks are of the same race... personally I think we are all the same race with a little melanin difference and there should be NO difference in treatment in any way regarding color or sex.

Exactly, race is essentially a man-made construct. Also, there are other physiological differences apart from melanin production, but they're not really important.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I can expect them to accept all races now, absolutely, just as they expect to be accepted elsewhere.
Ethics are ethics.
I have read the subject matter, on other sites and some books.
One of my best friends is a black muslim, we "discuss" this often, he has given me books and material. Some of which were the black ethics of christian background
They are identical to the white identity groups in many ways.
I have said many times, racism will go away when we recognize that race is just a melanin difference, we are all one race.
Anyone who treats one shade different than another, in a positive or negative way, is a racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nleckpQVyE

Expect who, exactly? Generally, "black" institutions do accept all races. We already went over this in another thread a while back, remember?

You're getting worked up over nothing, and trying to make something into a racist issue that isn't.

You are reading emotional content into my posts that is not there.
It was racist without me.

[bluecuracao]

So, you're not really "so SICK of this..."