oh! youre a feminist? how cute!

Phil · 12-19-2006, 02:43 PM

has the feminist movement set back the plight for male / female equality?

glatt · 12-19-2006, 03:07 PM

No. The feminist movement opened the doors for entire generations of women.

Beestie · 12-19-2006, 04:47 PM

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No. The feminist movement opened the doors for entire generations of women.

I'm not sure it opened any doors as much as it opened some eyes. I don't know any men went scrambling around opening locked doors over a Helen Reddy song. But I do know some men that stopped opening doors after that song.

wolf · 12-20-2006, 12:37 AM

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I'm not sure it opened any doors as much as it opened some eyes. I don't know any men went scrambling around opening locked doors over a Helen Reddy song. But I do know some men that stopped opening doors after that song.

I actually had to be retrained to allow a man to do that. It was difficult.

I have now been retrained to accept graciously having someone pay for meals and movie tickets. It doesn't suck. There is a lot to be said for an old fashioned sort of gentleman.

I have probably told this story here before. I was with some friends for a movie night. We were watching MST3K, and as usual, coming up with better lines than Tom, Crow, and Joel. I think it was War of the Colossal Beast ... whichever movie they spoofed, it was the one with the short about three women going to college to study one of the three acceptable fields for women ... home economics (the other two, of course, being teaching and nursing). A young woman (in her early 20s) was watching it. She found the short beyond absurd, and was insisting that it must have been made up. It was a head-ripping experience for her to find out that it was real.

12-19-2006, 03:14 PM

It depends on whom you are talking about, which feminist, IMO.
If they treat men as the "them" in an Us & Them philosophy, yes, it is harmful.

Ibby · 12-19-2006, 03:17 PM

Feminism =/= Equality.
Feminists think women are BETTER THAN men.

Shawnee123 · 12-19-2006, 03:24 PM

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Feminism =/= Equality.
Feminists think women are BETTER THAN men.

So, you are a feminist, Ibram, judging by your posts in where is sex?

glatt · 12-19-2006, 03:25 PM

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Feminism =/= Equality.
Feminists think women are BETTER THAN men.

Perhaps. But those strong minded feminists were going up against a strong male chauvinistic attitude back during the heyday of feminism a couple decades ago. Men and women are far more equal today as a result.

12-19-2006, 03:19 PM

I don't think all feminist do.

wolf · 12-19-2006, 04:07 PM

As a woman, I am supposed to be a "feminist." I am not. It's one thing for women and men to be given equal pay for equal work ... they should be and the reasons are so obvious as to not require discussion. There are, however, biologically based differences in terms of physical strength, brain functioning, problem solving methodology, and so forth. It has apparently become heresey to point these sorts of things out, as evidenced by the public flaying of the president of Harvard a year or so ago.

glatt · 12-19-2006, 04:25 PM

Yup. Men and women are different.

Spexxvet · 12-20-2006, 08:50 AM

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... they should be and the reasons are so obvious as to not require discussion.

Yet somehow require legislation...

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There are, however, biologically based differences in terms of physical strength, brain functioning, problem solving methodology, and so forth....

Yeah, men are better at everything. We rule!

:p

KinkyVixen · 12-19-2006, 04:38 PM

Ditto what Wolf said. I'm a woman...but I completely understand that there are some things that men can do that I can't...whether it's because they are physically stronger or that's just the way they were made...there are things that women can do that men can't, like having babies, etc...we'll never be equal. I don't know much about the feminist movement and all that, mostly because I don't care enough to know... my world is still the same.

Flint · 12-19-2006, 09:34 PM

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...but I completely understand that there are some things that men can do that I can't...

...like stand on the bed and pee out the window (like me pappy always said)

12-20-2006, 05:05 PM

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Ditto what Wolf said. I'm a woman...but I completely understand that there are some things that men can do that I can't...whether it's because they are physically stronger or that's just the way they were made...there are things that women can do that men can't, like having babies, etc...we'll never be equal. I don't know much about the feminist movement and all that, mostly because I don't care enough to know... my world is still the same.

I dated a woman who loaded luggage at Orlando airport. This was when I was still in pretty good shape. We worked-out together, she benched the same 250 as I.
She, sometimes, let me pay for all the date and always let me open doors for her (not the car door, unless we were on a date), unless she was in a hurry. She was a beautiful lady and not "butch" at all. Just physical. Though it is the norm, women can do whatever a man can do.
However, I dislike the whole man-hating feminism as well just as much as I dislike objectifying women on a personal level.

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KinkyVixen Marching In! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 580	Ditto what Wolf said. I'm a woman...but I completely understand that there are some things that men can do that I can't...whether it's because they are physically stronger or that's just the way they were made...there are things that women can do that men can't, like having babies, etc...we'll never be equal. I don't know much about the feminist movement and all that, mostly because I don't care enough to know... my world is still the same. __________________ "Smile before bed.You'll sleep better."

12-19-2006, 03:07 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	No. The feminist movement opened the doors for entire generations of women.

12-19-2006, 03:14 PM	#5
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	It depends on whom you are talking about, which feminist, IMO. If they treat men as the "them" in an Us & Them philosophy, yes, it is harmful.

12-19-2006, 03:19 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't think all feminist do.

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glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Yup. Men and women are different.

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