Communism, boiled down.

07-13-2007, 08:40 PM

Communism is based in envy.
Keep in mind Marx & Engels did not have the strength of their convictions, did not live by it. They were owners of property and factories and did not share their profits with their workers and renters.
Words written by cowards should be ignored.
Did/do Stalin, Mao, Castro & the party members live as those they oppress? Then we know the truth of their ideals.
Che was just a murderer & busybody.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-13-2007, 11:13 PM

If Che was alive, and collecting royalties on the tee shirts and posters, he'd be a multi-millionaire. It would be interesting to see what he would do with all that money.

bluecuracao · 07-14-2007, 12:29 AM

I don't agree that communism, overall, is based on envy. It's a very old idea, and it worked (works) very well in Pueblo communities. It just doesn't work on a large scale.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-14-2007, 01:55 AM

Under more normal, or more fortunate, circumstances, Mao would have been convicted as a mere felon, and beheaded.

Edwin O. Wilson: "Communism. Interesting idea. Wrong species."

DanaC · 07-14-2007, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Keep in mind Marx & Engels did not have the strength of their convictions, did not live by it.

Marx was not a communist.

Aliantha · 07-14-2007, 02:10 AM

That's a fact that most right wingers can't seem to grasp Dana.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-14-2007, 02:12 AM

Not that it matters in light of the half billion untimely killed and the couple billion kept in poverty pursuant to Marx's ideas.

bluecuracao · 07-14-2007, 02:16 AM

Hmmm...we've got quite a lot of folks in poverty in the good ol' US of A...

Aliantha · 07-14-2007, 02:20 AM

Yep. Democracy is working well.

bluecuracao · 07-14-2007, 02:22 AM

Oh no, no.. we're a REPLUBLIC!

Aliantha · 07-14-2007, 02:23 AM

democratic republic?

bluecuracao · 07-14-2007, 02:26 AM

LOL

DanaC · 07-14-2007, 02:27 AM

From Marx himself :

Quote:

All I know is I'm not a Marxist.

Aliantha · 07-14-2007, 02:35 AM

Marxism has only ever really been a idea verging on theory. Is there any community that has really ever put it into practice?

I know of companies that have increased profits through giving staff shares in the company and allowing staff more self determination.

It doesn't always work though.

Nor does democracy.

I guess one day maybe we'll figure out the right way to do things.

Until then, we'll work on the ideas we currently have.

bluecuracao · 07-14-2007, 02:38 AM

I wonder if we've ever been a democracy, really. There has always been so much manipulation involved in the U.S. political process. There are and have been altruistic elected officials, but the culture of 'pay-to-play' (something that's blamed on city government corruption, but reaches up to the federal level too) seems to prevail too often.

07-13-2007, 08:40 PM	#1
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Communism, boiled down. Communism is based in envy. Keep in mind Marx & Engels did not have the strength of their convictions, did not live by it. They were owners of property and factories and did not share their profits with their workers and renters. Words written by cowards should be ignored. Did/do Stalin, Mao, Castro & the party members live as those they oppress? Then we know the truth of their ideals. Che was just a murderer & busybody.

07-13-2007, 11:13 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	If Che was alive, and collecting royalties on the tee shirts and posters, he'd be a multi-millionaire. It would be interesting to see what he would do with all that money. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Under more normal, or more fortunate, circumstances, Mao would have been convicted as a mere felon, and beheaded. Edwin O. Wilson: "Communism. Interesting idea. Wrong species." __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 07-14-2007 at 02:10 AM.

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Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	That's a fact that most right wingers can't seem to grasp Dana. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-14-2007, 02:12 AM	#7
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Not that it matters in light of the half billion untimely killed and the couple billion kept in poverty pursuant to Marx's ideas. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-14-2007, 12:29 AM	#3
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	I don't agree that communism, overall, is based on envy. It's a very old idea, and it worked (works) very well in Pueblo communities. It just doesn't work on a large scale.

07-14-2007, 02:16 AM	#8
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Hmmm...we've got quite a lot of folks in poverty in the good ol' US of A...

07-14-2007, 02:20 AM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yep. Democracy is working well. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-14-2007, 02:22 AM	#10
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Oh no, no.. we're a REPLUBLIC!

07-14-2007, 02:23 AM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	democratic republic? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-14-2007, 02:26 AM	#12
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	LOL

07-14-2007, 02:35 AM	#14
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Marxism has only ever really been a idea verging on theory. Is there any community that has really ever put it into practice? I know of companies that have increased profits through giving staff shares in the company and allowing staff more self determination. It doesn't always work though. Nor does democracy. I guess one day maybe we'll figure out the right way to do things. Until then, we'll work on the ideas we currently have. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-14-2007, 02:38 AM	#15
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	I wonder if we've ever been a democracy, really. There has always been so much manipulation involved in the U.S. political process. There are and have been altruistic elected officials, but the culture of 'pay-to-play' (something that's blamed on city government corruption, but reaches up to the federal level too) seems to prevail too often.

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