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Old 03-04-2008, 08:32 AM   #1
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China Increases Money To Crack U.S. Computer Systems And Buy Nuclear Weapons

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Chinese military continues to increase spending on efforts to break into U.S. military computer systems, expand its Navy, and invest in intercontinental nuclear missiles and weapons to destroy satellites, according to the latest U.S report on China's military power.

The annual report from the Pentagon to Congress says China's total military spending in 2007 was between $97 billion and $139 billion, but it is hard to tell exactly how much was spent and on what.
In comparison, the U.S. military budget request for 2008 is $481.4 billion, not including war requests.

Pentagon officials said a chunk of China's spending went to cyberwarfare, because 2007 saw several "intrusions" believed to be from the Peoples Liberation Army. In the incidents, unclassified U.S. military computer systems were broken into and information was taken, according to Pentagon officials.

While the information taken was not classified, Pentagon officials said the worry is the Chinese hacking required many of the skills and capabilities that would also be required for a computer network attack.

Last summer, a cyber-attack on Department of Defense computer systems took down the e-mail capability of hundreds of staffers for weeks, but the Pentagon still will not comment on who initiated the attack. It is widely believed among the military to have been the Peoples Liberation Army.

China is also investing heavily in and fielding improved nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles and antisatellite missiles, according to the report.

The United States expressed its concern last year after China fired a missile at one of its old satellites and destroyed it, sending thousands of dangerous pieces of space debris into orbit.

The United States conducted a similar strike last month on a broken U.S. spy satellite before it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere. U.S. officials said the satellite was hit and broke into thousands of small pieces that burned up as they re-entered Earth's atmosphere.

The United States is also concerned about the purchase of more submarines by the Chinese navy as well as plans for more aircraft carriers.

The Chinese once had a small Navy. Now the United States is keeping an eye on the growing service amid concerns over Taiwan.

The concerns include "China's near-term focus on preparing for contingencies in the Taiwan Strait, including the possibility of U.S. intervention, which is an important driver of its modernization," the report says.

Additionally, the Chinese have placed about 100 more short-range missiles on the shore opposite Taiwan in the past year, it says.

Pentagon officials worry the continued increase in Chinese military spending is slowly tipping the balance of power between China and Taiwan in China's favor. The United States has said it would help defend Taiwan if China invaded.

The report also says the Peoples Liberation Army is "pursuing comprehensive transformation from a mass army designed for protracted wars of attrition on its territory to one capable of fighting and winning short-duration, high-intensity conflicts along its periphery against high-tech adversaries."

Such an army, the report says, would have "the greatest potential to compete militarily with the United States and field disruptive military technologies that could, over time, offset traditional U.S. military advantages."

The United States says the lack of transparency by the Chinese on its spending poses "risks to stability by increasing the potential for misunderstanding and miscalculation," and that China has yet to explain to the international community the purpose of its military expansion, Pentagon officials said

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Old 03-04-2008, 08:35 AM   #2
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Old 03-04-2008, 11:05 AM   #3
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meh. Keeps 'em busy.
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Old 03-04-2008, 08:28 PM   #4
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Old 03-04-2008, 08:44 PM   #5
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The United States says the lack of transparency by the Chinese on its spending poses "risks to stability by increasing the potential for misunderstanding and miscalculation," and that China has yet to explain to the international community the purpose of its military expansion, Pentagon officials said
Meanwhile the article forgot to mention that the US secret military budget (that even Congressman cannot see) is something like 'larger than the combined spending of the next five largest military powers'. That is just the secret parts of our military spending.

Meanwhile, if China, et al were such a risk, then why would the US be destroying its military might on trivial events in Iraq? Thanks to iraq, the US military now needs something like $75billion just to refurbish or replace existing equipment.

No problem. "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter", said Cheney. Therefore the Chinese get richer.
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Old 03-06-2008, 11:49 AM   #6
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Meanwhile, if China, et al were such a risk, then why would the US be destroying its military might on trivial events in Iraq? Thanks to iraq, the US military now needs something like $75billion just to refurbish or replace existing equipment.
Because Clinton gave the intel to the Chinese to make a bigger more effective nuke weapon so China cares not how we blow our cash.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:04 AM   #7
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More on Chinese Hackers.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/03/07/c...ers/index.html
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:02 PM   #8
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More on Chinese Hackers.
Meanwhile, TheMercenary forgot to mention that secure DoD operations had been moved off the internet long ago. The military has their own, secure and separate internet.

So where did China get all this money? "Mission Accomplished". Somebody is getting rich on so much American economic mismanagement. Of course, political agendas routinely forget certain facts. In a world of 'good vs evil', squinty eyed gooks must be evil; America can only be good. Even Nam proves that.
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Old 03-10-2008, 12:43 AM   #9
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Yeah, that's the ticket, nuke 'em.
Wait, we have to get permission from the Waltons..... nevermind.
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Old 03-10-2008, 07:14 AM   #10
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bla, bla, bla, bla... bla, bla, bla... bla bla.
Yea, what he said. What did he say?
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Old 03-10-2008, 02:12 PM   #11
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Yea, what he said. What did he say?
Sorry. I used words with more than five letters.
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Old 03-10-2008, 03:31 PM   #12
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Sorry. I used words with more than five letters.
No, you used a key board of words that only the unabomber could love and care about. I don't.
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Old 03-11-2008, 07:59 PM   #13
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I don't.
You don't think? I thought so. But then you have a president to tell you what to think. Unfortunately for me, I have to do the work myself.
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Old 03-11-2008, 10:18 PM   #14
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Not so much work: you just figure out what the Bush position is and take the opposite.
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