Child Porn Victims Seek Restitution

SamIam · 02-08-2010, 06:55 AM

"Amy" was victimized on the Internet with child porn pictures by her uncle. Her uncle was arrested and stopped 7 years ago. Unfortunately, the child porn pictures are stil out there and have multiplied greatly in number. Amy knows that people can be looking at those old pictures any time and the thought makes her sick. Recently a sub-human who owned a number of Amy's old pictures was fined $130,000.00 by a judge. Could this be a new technique in preventing the number of child porn pictures circulating on the net?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100208/...V3bGVnYWxpc3N1

richlevy · 02-15-2010, 09:30 AM

It was restitution, not a fine. A fine is paid to the government, restitution is paid to the victim.

The only problem with this is the concept of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea. With obvious sexual images of very young children, intent and damages are clear.

Cases where it isn't are:

1) Non-sexual nude pictures of children.

2) Cases where the 'victim' committed fraud. Traci Lords appeared in Playboy when she was 17 because she produced false documentation.

3) Mens Rea - Pictures in which someone reasonably believes that the subject is 18 or older. The assumption when visiting a mainstream porn site is that as a business, they have taken steps to insure that their models are 18 or older. Even sites advertising 'teen' could be assumed by their customers to be presenting adult models posing as underage subjects. Court rulings on this are confusing to me, but I'm not a lawyer. Judging by the number of people arrested and charged with doing 'research', it might be that when it comes to pressing charges against customers, the burden of proof is on the customer to prove that the models are of age.

The whole area is very confusing. Add in underage actors/actresses working in controversial non-porn movies like 'The Tin Drum' and 'Pretty Baby', and the whole thing gets confusing.

lumberjim · 02-15-2010, 03:48 PM

I'm not following any links in a thread about kiddie pr0n.

ZenGum · 02-16-2010, 02:17 AM

Possession of child pr0n = prison sentence, with a big "bash me" sign on your back.
Adding a fine/restitution to that wouldn't make much difference, I reckon. Some folks don't think about consequences so much.

02-08-2010, 06:55 AM	#1
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Child Porn Victims Seek Restitution "Amy" was victimized on the Internet with child porn pictures by her uncle. Her uncle was arrested and stopped 7 years ago. Unfortunately, the child porn pictures are stil out there and have multiplied greatly in number. Amy knows that people can be looking at those old pictures any time and the thought makes her sick. Recently a sub-human who owned a number of Amy's old pictures was fined $130,000.00 by a judge. Could this be a new technique in preventing the number of child porn pictures circulating on the net? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100208/...V3bGVnYWxpc3N1 Last edited by SamIam; 02-08-2010 at 07:01 AM.

02-15-2010, 09:30 AM	#2
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	It was restitution, not a fine. A fine is paid to the government, restitution is paid to the victim. The only problem with this is the concept of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea. With obvious sexual images of very young children, intent and damages are clear. Cases where it isn't are: 1) Non-sexual nude pictures of children. 2) Cases where the 'victim' committed fraud. Traci Lords appeared in Playboy when she was 17 because she produced false documentation. 3) Mens Rea - Pictures in which someone reasonably believes that the subject is 18 or older. The assumption when visiting a mainstream porn site is that as a business, they have taken steps to insure that their models are 18 or older. Even sites advertising 'teen' could be assumed by their customers to be presenting adult models posing as underage subjects. Court rulings on this are confusing to me, but I'm not a lawyer. Judging by the number of people arrested and charged with doing 'research', it might be that when it comes to pressing charges against customers, the burden of proof is on the customer to prove that the models are of age. The whole area is very confusing. Add in underage actors/actresses working in controversial non-porn movies like 'The Tin Drum' and 'Pretty Baby', and the whole thing gets confusing. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

02-15-2010, 03:48 PM	#3
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I'm not following any links in a thread about kiddie pr0n. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-16-2010, 02:17 AM	#4
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Possession of child pr0n = prison sentence, with a big "bash me" sign on your back. Adding a fine/restitution to that wouldn't make much difference, I reckon. Some folks don't think about consequences so much. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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