A possibly stupid employment question ...

orthodoc · 10-19-2013, 09:45 PM

I can't delete this thread so will condense my post to one question:

If you signed a contract that the other party didn't sign and return within 2 weeks, what would you think?

I already know the answer.

Lamplighter · 10-19-2013, 10:49 PM

I guess it depends on whether you're and optimist or a pessimist.

If the latter, blame the Post Office for loosing it when you mailed it.

If the former, blame the Post Office for not delivering to you
when they signed and mailed it back... just call them for another copy.

orthodoc · 10-19-2013, 11:00 PM

I have documentation that they received it Oct. 8, as well as the fact that I scanned and emailed the signature page of the contract to them Oct. 4.

As of Oct. 18, the recruiter told me 'all is fine', and they were just waiting on the CFO to sign. But it has been two weeks. And the hospital posted a new ad for my job two days after they received the hard copies of my signed contract; the recruiter, who would be the one to post ads, says that IF this occurred (http://www.healthecareers.com/acoem/...dicine/1450215) it was a mistake.

wolf · 10-19-2013, 11:03 PM

Are you able to discuss with HR at the facility rather than going through the recruiter at this point?

orthodoc · 10-19-2013, 11:06 PM

I don't have a direct connection to HR, and I suspect they won't be involved until after the contract is signed by both parties.

sexobon · 10-20-2013, 12:25 AM

The CEO there is a BSN, MBA. I'm so sorry. Apply for another position there and see if they take the hint. Shame there wasn't a NLT Start Date in your contract. It means they're in no hurry to fill the position.

orthodoc · 10-20-2013, 12:36 AM

Yes, he's a BSN. I won't comment further here. I've considered reapplying to the new ad. I have a start date, but so far, no completed contract. I may just rescind the uncompleted contract and set up my own shop.

sexobon · 10-20-2013, 01:45 AM

If you get to within 30 days of that start date and are still left hanging, it's time to send the CEO a registered FYI letter articulately slamming the recruiter for unprofessionalism by citing the facts of the time line (including job reposting and given explanation) and asking the CEO to draw his own conclusion about how well that recruiter is representing him. If you won't go out on a limb to take care of yourself, why should they expect you would take care of their department? The indicators are that at this point you have nothing to lose by identifying an underperforming employee of theirs in your negotiations as long as you don't attack the organization; or, its leadership.

orthodoc · 10-20-2013, 01:59 AM

The start date is next summer. If this isn't going to work out, I have to put Plan B into action asap. Once they've signed the contract there are penalties to them if they 'terminate' me prior to the start date. My concern is this dragging on and on while they look for someone 'more suitable' (i.e. someone without breast cancer).

I was thinking of calling the CEO, but I agree: maybe a registered letter would be better. I could articulate my concerns without being misquoted or misunderstood.

However it goes, the bloom is off the rose. C'est la vie.

Maybe I should start a practice consisting of breast cancer survivors. We'd have a minor problem with urine drug screen collections - have to find a male to do observed collections. Volunteers?

orthodoc · 10-20-2013, 03:37 AM

I found ads with four different recruitment companies, dated or renewed 10/18 and 10/19. This is in addition to the original ad that is explicitly from the hospital.

So much for dreams of returning to my little town and making good, of being part of the professional community there.

She who expects nothing shall not be disappointed.

Gravdigr · 10-20-2013, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orthodoc

And the hospital posted a new ad for my job two days after they received the hard copies of my signed contract;

And heeere's your sign...

10-19-2013, 09:45 PM	#1
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	A stupid employment question. I can't delete this thread so will condense my post to one question: If you signed a contract that the other party didn't sign and return within 2 weeks, what would you think? I already know the answer. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi Last edited by orthodoc; 10-19-2013 at 10:38 PM.

10-19-2013, 11:00 PM	#3
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I have documentation that they received it Oct. 8, as well as the fact that I scanned and emailed the signature page of the contract to them Oct. 4. As of Oct. 18, the recruiter told me 'all is fine', and they were just waiting on the CFO to sign. But it has been two weeks. And the hospital posted a new ad for my job two days after they received the hard copies of my signed contract; the recruiter, who would be the one to post ads, says that IF this occurred (http://www.healthecareers.com/acoem/...dicine/1450215) it was a mistake. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

10-19-2013, 11:03 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Are you able to discuss with HR at the facility rather than going through the recruiter at this point? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-19-2013, 11:06 PM	#5
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I don't have a direct connection to HR, and I suspect they won't be involved until after the contract is signed by both parties. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

10-20-2013, 12:36 AM	#7
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Yes, he's a BSN. I won't comment further here. I've considered reapplying to the new ad. I have a start date, but so far, no completed contract. I may just rescind the uncompleted contract and set up my own shop. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

10-19-2013, 10:49 PM	#2
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	I guess it depends on whether you're and optimist or a pessimist. If the latter, blame the Post Office for loosing it when you mailed it. If the former, blame the Post Office for not delivering to you when they signed and mailed it back... just call them for another copy.

10-20-2013, 12:25 AM	#6
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	The CEO there is a BSN, MBA. I'm so sorry. Apply for another position there and see if they take the hint. Shame there wasn't a NLT Start Date in your contract. It means they're in no hurry to fill the position.

10-20-2013, 01:45 AM	#8
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	If you get to within 30 days of that start date and are still left hanging, it's time to send the CEO a registered FYI letter articulately slamming the recruiter for unprofessionalism by citing the facts of the time line (including job reposting and given explanation) and asking the CEO to draw his own conclusion about how well that recruiter is representing him. If you won't go out on a limb to take care of yourself, why should they expect you would take care of their department? The indicators are that at this point you have nothing to lose by identifying an underperforming employee of theirs in your negotiations as long as you don't attack the organization; or, its leadership.

10-20-2013, 01:59 AM	#9
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	The start date is next summer. If this isn't going to work out, I have to put Plan B into action asap. Once they've signed the contract there are penalties to them if they 'terminate' me prior to the start date. My concern is this dragging on and on while they look for someone 'more suitable' (i.e. someone without breast cancer). I was thinking of calling the CEO, but I agree: maybe a registered letter would be better. I could articulate my concerns without being misquoted or misunderstood. However it goes, the bloom is off the rose. C'est la vie. Maybe I should start a practice consisting of breast cancer survivors. We'd have a minor problem with urine drug screen collections - have to find a male to do observed collections. Volunteers? __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi Last edited by orthodoc; 10-20-2013 at 02:24 AM. Reason: Fed up

10-20-2013, 03:37 AM	#10
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I found ads with four different recruitment companies, dated or renewed 10/18 and 10/19. This is in addition to the original ad that is explicitly from the hospital. So much for dreams of returning to my little town and making good, of being part of the professional community there. She who expects nothing shall not be disappointed. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

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