Savages

xoxoxoBruce · 06-13-2015, 07:17 PM

In 1886 General miles rounded up the Chiricahua Apaches and shipped them off to jail at Fort Marion, Florida.
But what to do with the savage children? Ship them to the Carlisle, PA, Indian school for civilizing.

A hundred or so died of civilized diseases, and got a civilized burial in Carlisle.
But the survivors got civilized and you can see how much happier they are.

busterb · 06-13-2015, 07:34 PM

Yep. The gooberment was at work back then.

sexobon · 06-13-2015, 08:55 PM

Devastating, only one zipperhead left.

Lamplighter · 06-13-2015, 10:03 PM

The real savage is named right after the date in the OP.

Happy Monkey · 06-13-2015, 11:08 PM

There are still lawsuits going on in Canada when they did the same thing. The final school closed in 1984.

edit: Though this source says they lasted into the '90s.

Sundae · 06-13-2015, 11:50 PM

The same happened all over the world with indigenous people. In England's memory it was Maori (New Zealand) and Aboriginal (Australian) children who needed to be taken into good, clean, white houses to be all civilised up and learn how not to respect the land.

Not that there was a colour-bar on deciding what children had to have done to them. Even the working poor could have their children shipped off for an unasked for jaunt to Australia/ NZ/ Canada/ South Africa (the so called "Home Children").

Facing a horrendously long sea voyage, to be greeted by strangers and kiddie-fiddlers and worked half to death. No, of course that wasn't the case for every little emigree, but talk about your disposable culture - we had plenty of kids to give away back then. A righteous god in a novel would have been all smitey and said we didn't deserve any more until we learned their value.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-14-2015, 12:14 AM

In todays sensibilities it seems barbaric, but to be fair, what were they to do with these kids? The entire band of Chiricahua Apaches were imprisoned in Florida, should they lock up the kids too? I'm sure the Carlisle School sounded like a God send to the people who had to find a solution.

Plus it had been a long bloody struggle between the Indians and Settlers, and this marked the end. But much like the Israelis and Palestinians the butt hurt was deep. I'm sure the do gooders thought civilizing these kids would prevent future problems for the Indians and for themselves. I think it's remarkable the whole band wasn't exterminated.

Gravdigr · 06-14-2015, 01:13 PM

Paraphrasing 'Blazing Saddles':

Watch that "savages" shit, paleface.

Gravdigr · 06-14-2015, 01:21 PM

Not entirely sure of Bruce's tone for this whole post. I'm not sure if it's intended to be humor (I hope it is), but, to reduce what white people did to Native Americans to "butthurt" is an insensitivity of historical proportions.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-14-2015, 02:15 PM

You seem to forget the Indians did some pretty horrific things themselves, even to each other, but after 300 years they were out-numbered, out-scienced, and out-gunned, in the end. Had it been the other way around, the men/old women would have been killed, and the young women/children taken as slaves.

Butt hurt is not what was done by the Indians/Settlers/Israelis/Palestinians, it's the resulting animosity/resentment/hate, generations later.

Lamplighter · 06-15-2015, 01:11 PM

There is an old saying along the lines of:
"Until the lions learn to write, history will be written by the hunters."

There is a lot of similarities between the "Indian Wars" and current events....

savages vs defenders
massacre vs battle
prisoners of war vs reservation
ISSA vs Mujahideen
Quantanamo vs Fort Sill

archeology vs grave robbing

This video is the lion's POV...

Just as the Civil Rights Laws were one good thing done by Richard Nixon,
signing the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act
was one good thing done by George W. Bush.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-15-2015, 02:04 PM

So call, or go online today, to pledge your $19 a month, just 63 cents a day...

Lamplighter · 06-15-2015, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So call, or go online today, to pledge your $19 a month, just 63 cents a day...

???

Where does that come from ?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-15-2015, 06:08 PM

From the end of every TV commercial for abused animals, wounded warriors, starving third word children, et al.

BigV · 06-15-2015, 09:27 PM

Paraphrasing "History of the World, Part 1"

"It's good to be the king."

And by king, I mean the White Man.

06-13-2015, 07:17 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Savages In 1886 General miles rounded up the Chiricahua Apaches and shipped them off to jail at Fort Marion, Florida. But what to do with the savage children? Ship them to the Carlisle, PA, Indian school for civilizing. A hundred or so died of civilized diseases, and got a civilized burial in Carlisle. But the survivors got civilized and you can see how much happier they are. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-13-2015, 07:34 PM	#2
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Yep. The gooberment was at work back then. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

06-13-2015, 11:08 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	There are still lawsuits going on in Canada when they did the same thing. The final school closed in 1984. edit: Though this source says they lasted into the '90s. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

06-13-2015, 11:50 PM	#6
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	The same happened all over the world with indigenous people. In England's memory it was Maori (New Zealand) and Aboriginal (Australian) children who needed to be taken into good, clean, white houses to be all civilised up and learn how not to respect the land. Not that there was a colour-bar on deciding what children had to have done to them. Even the working poor could have their children shipped off for an unasked for jaunt to Australia/ NZ/ Canada/ South Africa (the so called "Home Children"). Facing a horrendously long sea voyage, to be greeted by strangers and kiddie-fiddlers and worked half to death. No, of course that wasn't the case for every little emigree, but talk about your disposable culture - we had plenty of kids to give away back then. A righteous god in a novel would have been all smitey and said we didn't deserve any more until we learned their value. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

06-14-2015, 12:14 AM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	In todays sensibilities it seems barbaric, but to be fair, what were they to do with these kids? The entire band of Chiricahua Apaches were imprisoned in Florida, should they lock up the kids too? I'm sure the Carlisle School sounded like a God send to the people who had to find a solution. Plus it had been a long bloody struggle between the Indians and Settlers, and this marked the end. But much like the Israelis and Palestinians the butt hurt was deep. I'm sure the do gooders thought civilizing these kids would prevent future problems for the Indians and for themselves. I think it's remarkable the whole band wasn't exterminated. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-13-2015, 08:55 PM	#3
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Devastating, only one zipperhead left.

06-13-2015, 10:03 PM	#4
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	The real savage is named right after the date in the OP.

06-14-2015, 01:13 PM	#8
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Paraphrasing 'Blazing Saddles': Watch that "savages" shit, paleface. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

06-14-2015, 01:21 PM	#9
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Not entirely sure of Bruce's tone for this whole post. I'm not sure if it's intended to be humor (I hope it is), but, to reduce what white people did to Native Americans to "butthurt" is an insensitivity of historical proportions. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

06-14-2015, 02:15 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You seem to forget the Indians did some pretty horrific things themselves, even to each other, but after 300 years they were out-numbered, out-scienced, and out-gunned, in the end. Had it been the other way around, the men/old women would have been killed, and the young women/children taken as slaves. Butt hurt is not what was done by the Indians/Settlers/Israelis/Palestinians, it's the resulting animosity/resentment/hate, generations later. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-15-2015, 01:11 PM	#11
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	There is an old saying along the lines of: "Until the lions learn to write, history will be written by the hunters." There is a lot of similarities between the "Indian Wars" and current events.... savages vs defenders massacre vs battle prisoners of war vs reservation ISSA vs Mujahideen Quantanamo vs Fort Sill archeology vs grave robbing This video is the lion's POV... Just as the Civil Rights Laws were one good thing done by Richard Nixon, signing the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act was one good thing done by George W. Bush.

06-15-2015, 02:04 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So call, or go online today, to pledge your $19 a month, just 63 cents a day... __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-15-2015, 06:08 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	From the end of every TV commercial for abused animals, wounded warriors, starving third word children, et al. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-15-2015, 09:27 PM	#15
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Paraphrasing "History of the World, Part 1" "It's good to be the king." And by king, I mean the White Man. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

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