Ah, Pride...

OnyxCougar · 10-06-2003, 07:11 AM

I don't make this stuff up, people.

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Man Dies After Wife Crushes Testicles
Fri Oct 3, 8:28 AM ET

ADDIS ABABA (Reuters) - An enraged Ethiopian mother of five will be tried for the murder of her husband who died after she crushed his testicles in a fight, police told the state-run Ethiopian News Agency.

Police said on Friday the man was so embarrassed after the incident that he declined to seek treatment for the injury, and died days later.

"Following a disagreement over the husband's spending habits, his wife refused to give him his dinner and also decided to sleep alone," police in the western region of Wellega said.

"The husband was so angered by this affront by his wife that he tried to beat her. In the melee that followed, the wife grabbed and twisted his testicles causing serious damage."

Police said the unnamed woman, a resident of Wayu-Tuka district in Wellega, had had several arguments with her husband about the amount of money he spent on booze.

OK, so they had a fight about his alcoholism. She didn't make dinner, and didn't want sex, and he wants to beat her up, so she defended herself and got his sac in a twist. He DECIDES not to go to the doctor and dies. She's charged for murder. Tell me I'm not the only one who sees something wrong with this.

Beestie · 10-06-2003, 07:21 AM

And the third world wonders why its third.

slang · 10-06-2003, 08:04 AM

Interesting piece OC. Seems strange in several ways. The murder rap as you mentioned, him "trying" to beat her, the reasoning behind him "trying" to beat her and him allowing access to his balls.....*during a confrontation*.

I can think of a few couples that not fixing dinner and sleeping/having sex might be doing him a favor.

Tobiasly · 10-06-2003, 09:18 AM

So OC, if a man severely beats and rapes a woman, and she doesn't go to the hospital because she's embarassed, and she ends up dying a few days later, is the man blameless? I suppose it's her fault because she decided not to go to the hospital?

I'm not saying this guy was blameless or maybe didn't deserve a good ball-twist, but murder is murder.

juju · 10-06-2003, 10:07 AM

But she was defending herself.

OnyxCougar · 10-06-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Tobiasly
So OC, if a man severely beats and rapes a woman, and she doesn't go to the hospital because she's embarassed, and she ends up dying a few days later, is the man blameless? I suppose it's her fault because she decided not to go to the hospital?

I'm not saying this guy was blameless or maybe didn't deserve a good ball-twist, but murder is murder.

No, the man is not blameless. He should be tried for A&B and rape. But he should NOT be tried for murder. He didn't kill her, she allowed herself to die by refusing to seek medical treatment.

Beestie · 10-06-2003, 10:31 AM

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So OC, if a man severely beats and rapes a woman, and she doesn't go to the hospital because she's embarassed, and she ends up dying a few days later, is the man blameless? I suppose it's her fault because she decided not to go to the hospital?

Well, if he raped her in self defense, then I suppose you have a point

tw · 10-06-2003, 07:00 PM

A very large, drunk, aggressive man corners me in a booth in Denny's. A man about 100 pounds bigger and one full foot taller. He then threatens me, spits in my face, and then punch me in the nose. I grab the butter knife to defend myself. He dies in the ensuing melee. I am then accused of murder? Yes, according to the law. I used a deadly instrument. Murder is murder.

OnyxCougar · 10-06-2003, 07:21 PM

He died, not because she stabbed him, but because HE REFUSED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR. Whether she is guilty of hurting the man is not in question here. What is in question is that she is being tried for MURDER because her husband REFUSED to seek medical treatment. It's not even close to the same thing, tw.

If he had gone to the doctor and died, I wouldn't have a problem with her charge of murder, and would hope she would be able to use self defense.

But he DIDN'T GO TO THE DOCTOR.

So use a different example, tw. One that is similar to the situation.

So in your example, yes, you should be tried for murder, although it was self defense. If you stabbed him with a butter knife and he wandered off, then died 3 days later because he refused to go to a doctor, should you be charged for murder? Absolutely not.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-06-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by tw
A very large, drunk, aggressive man corners me in a booth in Denny's. A man about 100 pounds bigger and one full foot taller. He then threatens me, spits in my face, and then punch me in the nose. I grab the butter knife to defend myself. He dies in the ensuing melee. I am then accused of murder? Yes, according to the law. I used a deadly instrument. Murder is murder.

True, but it would be up to the DA whether to prosecute you, which he probably would not unless he'd read your posts.:p

Beestie · 10-06-2003, 08:17 PM

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A very large, drunk, aggressive man... about 100 pounds bigger and one full foot taller...I grab the butter knife to defend myself. He dies in the ensuing melee.

tw, you have GOT to show me how to do that!

Undertoad · 10-06-2003, 08:39 PM

That mad hockey dad who killed the other hockey dad was just using his fists, and he got like 4 years. Butter knife he would have gotten 10-15.

wolf · 10-07-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by tw
A very large, drunk, aggressive man corners me in a booth in Denny's. A man about 100 pounds bigger and one full foot taller. He then threatens me, spits in my face, and then punch me in the nose. I grab the butter knife to defend myself. He dies in the ensuing melee. I am then accused of murder? Yes, according to the law. I used a deadly instrument. Murder is murder.

You have killed him, but did not murder him.

He was the agressor. You acted in defense of your life. You had, at that time, the reasonable expectation of and fear of death if you don't do something to stop his attack.

The second he breaks off his attack, though, everything changes.

Now ... you WOULD have murdered him if ... after punching you in the nose he is satisfied with the amount of blood pouring out of your face and he ends his assault. He goes back to his table and enjoys the remainder of his chicken fried steak and eggs with his cronies.

You, on the other hand, are no longer enjoying your Grand Slam breakfast. In fact, you are so incensed by his behavior that you decide that something must be done about it.

Instead of calling the local constabulary, you decide to deal with the problem yourself.

You go out to the parking lot, and find a spot with a good view of the door. When he emerges from the restaurant you shoot him with a crossbow bolt as he turns to talk to one of his buds, which passes through his ears. In his last instants of life, he is reminded of Steve Martin, back when he was funny.

NOW you have murdered him. You are no longer acting in defense of your life.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-07-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
That mad hockey dad who killed the other hockey dad was just using his fists, and he got like 4 years. Butter knife he would have gotten 10-15.

Yeah but he was the aggressor. Not self defence.

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10-06-2003, 07:21 PM	#9
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	He died, not because she stabbed him, but because HE REFUSED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR. Whether she is guilty of hurting the man is not in question here. What is in question is that she is being tried for MURDER because her husband REFUSED to seek medical treatment. It's not even close to the same thing, tw. If he had gone to the doctor and died, I wouldn't have a problem with her charge of murder, and would hope she would be able to use self defense. But he DIDN'T GO TO THE DOCTOR. So use a different example, tw. One that is similar to the situation. So in your example, yes, you should be tried for murder, although it was self defense. If you stabbed him with a butter knife and he wandered off, then died 3 days later because he refused to go to a doctor, should you be charged for murder? Absolutely not. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

10-06-2003, 08:04 AM	#3
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Interesting piece OC. Seems strange in several ways. The murder rap as you mentioned, him "trying" to beat her, the reasoning behind him "trying" to beat her and him allowing access to his balls.....during a confrontation. I can think of a few couples that not fixing dinner and sleeping/having sex might be doing him a favor.

10-06-2003, 09:18 AM	#4
Tobiasly hot Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Jeffersonville, IN (near Louisville) Posts: 892	So OC, if a man severely beats and rapes a woman, and she doesn't go to the hospital because she's embarassed, and she ends up dying a few days later, is the man blameless? I suppose it's her fault because she decided not to go to the hospital? I'm not saying this guy was blameless or maybe didn't deserve a good ball-twist, but murder is murder.

10-06-2003, 10:07 AM	#5
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	But she was defending herself.

10-06-2003, 07:00 PM	#8
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	A very large, drunk, aggressive man corners me in a booth in Denny's. A man about 100 pounds bigger and one full foot taller. He then threatens me, spits in my face, and then punch me in the nose. I grab the butter knife to defend myself. He dies in the ensuing melee. I am then accused of murder? Yes, according to the law. I used a deadly instrument. Murder is murder.

10-06-2003, 08:39 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That mad hockey dad who killed the other hockey dad was just using his fists, and he got like 4 years. Butter knife he would have gotten 10-15.

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