Transporter is now working

tw · 06-17-2004, 08:39 PM

All we now need is a TV show for it.

Quote:

from the NY Times Scientists Teleport Not Kirk, but an Atom
Two teams of scientists report today that for the first time they have teleported individual atoms, taking characteristics of one atom and imprinting them on a second.

In physics, teleportation means creating a replica of an object, or at least some aspect of it, at some distance from the original. The act of teleporting always destroys the original - not entirely unlike the transporters of the "Star Trek" television shows and movies - so it is impossible produce multiple copies.

lumberjim · 06-17-2004, 11:16 PM

suppose the transporter was operational and 100% safe. would you go through? if you are completely destroyed and replicated as an exact duplicate? what about your soul? does it destroy and recreate that? would a succesful trip through prove the nonexistence of an actual soul? or is your soul centered in a physical manifestation that could be anihiated and recreated? hurry up! answer me!

jaguar · 06-18-2004, 12:30 AM

There is a very cold very cool cyberpunk narrative floating around about that, I'll see if I can dig it up.

SteveDallas · 06-18-2004, 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by lumberjim
suppose the transporter was operational and 100% safe. would you go through? if you are completely destroyed and replicated as an exact duplicate? what about your soul? does it destroy and recreate that? would a succesful trip through prove the nonexistence of an actual soul? or is your soul centered in a physical manifestation that could be anihiated and recreated? hurry up! answer me!

Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a collection of atoms to just be taken apart and reassembled by some godawful machine!

(sorry.. it was too good to pass up.)

jaguar · 06-18-2004, 06:13 AM

The more interesting question is whether, since you're making someone out of a bunch of atoms anyway, could you make two? That could be the new yardstick for ethical quagmire.

SteveDallas · 06-18-2004, 07:02 AM

Yeah, it sure is! On a more practical level, what's the physiological difference between a body 5 seconds before death, and 5 seconds after? Can whatever is keeping the body alive be preserved during the transporter process?

It would still be cool as hell even if it could only handle inorganic objects, and there may be other applications. (In Scott Westerfeld's "Risen Empire" books, quantum entaglement was used to send messages instantaneously over interstellar distances.)

Kitsune · 06-18-2004, 08:27 AM

This is quite cool -- faster-than-light communication might be seen in our lifetimes. A transmitter and receiver could contain two paired particles and change their spin to communicate.

Science has finally solved annoying international phone lag!

...and the implications for communcating with space probes, etc, are fairly large. No more seven minute wait in sending commands to a Mars probe.

That is, if they get this all working beyond the millimeters of distance they're working with, today.

Troubleshooter · 06-18-2004, 08:47 AM

This gives us several hypotheticals.

The soul test.

The duplication issue.

And don't miss out on the duplicate soul possibilities...

Kitsune · 06-18-2004, 08:55 AM

The soul test.

What is that? Is it scantron or essay?

Beestie · 06-18-2004, 08:57 AM

The term teleportation is a little misleading. Matter is not being transported but, rather, information. Sort of like dissasembling a house brick by brick, and simultaneously destroying the original brick and making a duplicate brick at a location down the street. If you do it really fast, it looks like a house disappears and reappears when that's not exactly the way it went down. The new house is an exact replica of the original but the original is no longer in its original state. The atoms are still there but they aren't a house anymore.

Teleporting actual matter remains out of the question (so far).

Troubleshooter · 06-18-2004, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kitsune
The soul test.

What is that? Is it scantron or essay?

Transporters could, in theory, positing that a soul exists, test to see if the soul is tied to the body.

If a soul actually exists, and is tied to the body, what happens to first luckless bastard sent through?

Kitsune · 06-18-2004, 09:08 AM

The term teleportation is a little misleading. Matter is not being transported but, rather, information. Sort of like dissasembling a house brick by brick, and simultaneously destroying the original brick and making a duplicate brick at a location down the street.

My understanding is that it really isn't even that -- they're simply applying a magnetic field to change the spin on a particle and its paired particle automatically spins in the opposite direction. This should happen instantly regardless of the distance they are seperated, which is cool because you should be able to place them millions of miles apart and the change will always be immediate. Interpret spin direction as 1's and 0's and you have a really amazing way to digitally communicate without delays based on the speed of light and it affects a lot more in your life than you think. (Example: the greatest distance you can use a cellphone from a tower is only so many miles. If you are on a boat offshore or in a remote location it can be a big issue. The protocol used has a timeout and that timeout limit is exceeded once you go go too far out because of the time it takes the radio wave to reach the tower and return. Lots of issues in satellite communication, long distance computer communication, etc, could be removed through this.)

Changing the spin on a particle doesn't exactly translate into teleporting a person, or even an object. You'd have to have all of the matter there and arranged properly. Changing the spin on particles in that matter wouldn't do much.

jaguar · 06-18-2004, 09:15 AM

When we can replicate people perfectly this shit really will hit the fan. Man I'm doomed to live in interesting times. I'm sure before I'm 50 we'll see at least rudimentry neural interfaces, some kind of real AI, real nanotech.....so much potential, so much danger.

I've already seen prototypes of a device that can overlay thermal vision onto your own, projected straight into your retina. Imagine walking down the street with a full on HUD, beinh able to turn on and off thermal, NV, slective zooming, facial recognition combined with DB access, all in your sunnies....

Happy Monkey · 06-18-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Kitsune
The soul test.

What is that? Is it scantron or essay?

Dance.

jaguar · 06-18-2004, 09:18 AM

All things considered I've taken enough Aus-Europe flights (~20 hours) to be delighted with any speed increase.

06-17-2004, 11:16 PM	#2
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	suppose the transporter was operational and 100% safe. would you go through? if you are completely destroyed and replicated as an exact duplicate? what about your soul? does it destroy and recreate that? would a succesful trip through prove the nonexistence of an actual soul? or is your soul centered in a physical manifestation that could be anihiated and recreated? hurry up! answer me! __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-18-2004, 12:30 AM	#3
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	There is a very cold very cool cyberpunk narrative floating around about that, I'll see if I can dig it up. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-18-2004, 06:13 AM	#5
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	The more interesting question is whether, since you're making someone out of a bunch of atoms anyway, could you make two? That could be the new yardstick for ethical quagmire. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-18-2004, 07:02 AM	#6
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Yeah, it sure is! On a more practical level, what's the physiological difference between a body 5 seconds before death, and 5 seconds after? Can whatever is keeping the body alive be preserved during the transporter process? It would still be cool as hell even if it could only handle inorganic objects, and there may be other applications. (In Scott Westerfeld's "Risen Empire" books, quantum entaglement was used to send messages instantaneously over interstellar distances.) Last edited by SteveDallas; 06-18-2004 at 07:06 AM.

06-18-2004, 08:47 AM	#8
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	This gives us several hypotheticals. The soul test. The duplication issue. And don't miss out on the duplicate soul possibilities... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

06-18-2004, 08:27 AM	#7
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	This is quite cool -- faster-than-light communication might be seen in our lifetimes. A transmitter and receiver could contain two paired particles and change their spin to communicate. Science has finally solved annoying international phone lag! ...and the implications for communcating with space probes, etc, are fairly large. No more seven minute wait in sending commands to a Mars probe. That is, if they get this all working beyond the millimeters of distance they're working with, today.

06-18-2004, 08:55 AM	#9
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The soul test. What is that? Is it scantron or essay?

06-18-2004, 08:57 AM	#10
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	The term teleportation is a little misleading. Matter is not being transported but, rather, information. Sort of like dissasembling a house brick by brick, and simultaneously destroying the original brick and making a duplicate brick at a location down the street. If you do it really fast, it looks like a house disappears and reappears when that's not exactly the way it went down. The new house is an exact replica of the original but the original is no longer in its original state. The atoms are still there but they aren't a house anymore. Teleporting actual matter remains out of the question (so far). __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

06-18-2004, 09:08 AM	#12
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The term teleportation is a little misleading. Matter is not being transported but, rather, information. Sort of like dissasembling a house brick by brick, and simultaneously destroying the original brick and making a duplicate brick at a location down the street. My understanding is that it really isn't even that -- they're simply applying a magnetic field to change the spin on a particle and its paired particle automatically spins in the opposite direction. This should happen instantly regardless of the distance they are seperated, which is cool because you should be able to place them millions of miles apart and the change will always be immediate. Interpret spin direction as 1's and 0's and you have a really amazing way to digitally communicate without delays based on the speed of light and it affects a lot more in your life than you think. (Example: the greatest distance you can use a cellphone from a tower is only so many miles. If you are on a boat offshore or in a remote location it can be a big issue. The protocol used has a timeout and that timeout limit is exceeded once you go go too far out because of the time it takes the radio wave to reach the tower and return. Lots of issues in satellite communication, long distance computer communication, etc, could be removed through this.) Changing the spin on a particle doesn't exactly translate into teleporting a person, or even an object. You'd have to have all of the matter there and arranged properly. Changing the spin on particles in that matter wouldn't do much.

06-18-2004, 09:15 AM	#13
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	When we can replicate people perfectly this shit really will hit the fan. Man I'm doomed to live in interesting times. I'm sure before I'm 50 we'll see at least rudimentry neural interfaces, some kind of real AI, real nanotech.....so much potential, so much danger. I've already seen prototypes of a device that can overlay thermal vision onto your own, projected straight into your retina. Imagine walking down the street with a full on HUD, beinh able to turn on and off thermal, NV, slective zooming, facial recognition combined with DB access, all in your sunnies.... __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-18-2004, 09:18 AM	#15
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	All things considered I've taken enough Aus-Europe flights (~20 hours) to be delighted with any speed increase. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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