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Under the heading of Getting Burned on the Irony
We have this little gem from Sidney, Australia in early July. A Scientologist couple meddled with their psychotic daughter's course of antipsychotic medications. Result, dad and sister dead, mother wounded, psychotic daughter visibly hallucinating.
Not quite a current event, so I'm tucking this in Philosophy because of the religious angle. (Having read two biographies of L. Ron Hubbard back to back, I'm never going to think of Scientology as a religion. Nothing good or enlightened would have come of such a man.) http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...50.html?page=3 So a Scientology bigwig in Australia gets reached for comment -- and a psych professional tells him where to get off: http://www.topix.net/forum/med/psych...2V8EH0BRFHKPUD
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We have to go back, Kate!
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I never read his biography, but I did try to wade through one of his sci-fi books...ouch. I didn't know about the whole Scientology thing back then, I just grabbed a sci-fi book off a library shelf.
I don't think I managed to get more than a quarter of the way through it before I put it down in dismay. These days I tend to leave a book easily if it's not grabbed me, back then, I really hated leaving an unfinished book...s it was very unusual for me not to read through to the end, even if it was pretty bad. The Hubbard book was unreadable. It was like reading a book written by a fourteen year old boy, with no discernable talent beyond a vivid and highly sexualised imagination. A Heinlein wannabe who didn't quite get what it was that made Heinlein so great. |
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Sydney.
![]() All religion is mostly made up of sheep and psychos. It's a shame that things like this happen, but honestly, things like this happen in families where religion is not a factor at all. I doubt all the blame can be laid at the feet of whatever church you happen to be talking about at the time.
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Most other "churches" don't openly shun the use of psychiatrists and psychiatric medications, though. She was crazy to begin with, but the religion is the reason she went off the meds.
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I heard that anti-psychotics made normal people psychotic. This is all.......
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Frankly they deserved what they got.
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Scientologists are notoriously anti-psych medication. One of Elron's "teachings" was that modern psychology is bunk. This in turn is why Tom Cruise ranted against Ritalin on the Today show a few years back. "You don't know the history of psychology... I do."
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You'll get some of the effects that don't directly address the psychotic symptoms, like the voices ... you will probably get sleepy, and may even experience some of the side effects. * The notion behind homeopathy is that you are given a substance that will causethe symptom you are having, and somehow magically cure it. More than magically, actually, because the mixture is so dilute that no molecules of the original substance remain in the homeopathic solution.
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[quote=wolf;381464]You'll get some of the effects that don't directly address the psychotic symptoms, like the voices ... you will probably get sleepy, and may even experience some of the side effects.
=wolf;381464QUOTE] So if a normal person takes it they will experience "the voices" and side effects? This is confusing....
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We have to go back, Kate!
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No, some of the effects of the drugs don't directly address psychotic symptoms (such as hearing voices). So, in addition to tackling the hearing of voices, the drug may also help them relax: if you take the drug, there are no voices for it to tackle but it may well still relax you (or make you sleepy) and you may experience the same side effects as anyone else taking the drug.
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Come on, cat.
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Anyone who has ever used homeopathy on a baby or child (who doesn't know about placebos) knows that it works - if you use the right vibration, which is the tricky part.
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Giving homeopathic remedies to kids or pets works when they are suffering from something that would go away by itself anyway. In those cases, the placebo effect is on you, when you attribute any change in behavior to the bottled water you gave them. Even if you believe in "vibrations", at the dilution levels that they use, every molecule of water on Earth has already picked up "vibrations" from every possible substance on Earth before the preparation process begins. Drinking a glass of tap water would cure all diseases.
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