New 9/11 pictures from the air

[Pete Zicato]

Taken from a police helicopter. Really shows the scale of the destruction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8508817.stm

[TheMercenary]

Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

[classicman]

They haven't forgotten. But remember that its still Bush's fault.

[TheMercenary]

[Griff]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

Nonsense. Just because people disagree with the fed gov reaction doesn't mean they forget. Some folks, like me, simply draw completely different lessons from the event than you did.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

Nonsense. Just because people disagree with the fed gov reaction doesn't mean they forget. Some folks, like me, simply draw completely different lessons from the event than you did.

What lessons do you think I drew from the event.

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What lessons do you think I drew from the event.

Ah. We're back to guessing games.

All right. I'll play your little game. What lesson(s) did you draw from the event?

[Griff]

Believing in creative destruction, you supported an attempted world changing military response in an uninvolved country instead of a more appropriate policing first, military second response to Al Queda. This stems from your world-view of America as an innocent babe-in-the-woods rather than a meddler overseas. I saw a squandered opportunity to turn tragedy into moral authority and a failing commitment to rule of law. Obama is trying to take the Justice Dept route now but it is late in the game.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

Believing in creative destruction, you supported an attempted world changing military response in an uninvolved country instead of a more appropriate policing first, military second response to Al Queda.

False. You have no proof that I supported the military response, I mean other than I was doing a my job as a senior military officer at the time.

This stems from your world-view of America as an innocent babe-in-the-woods rather than a meddler overseas.

False, I have no such view.

I saw a squandered opportunity to turn tragedy into moral authority and a failing commitment to rule of law.

I would agree in part.

Obama is trying to take the Justice Dept route now but it is late in the game.

I guess that depends on whether you believe it was a police action or a military operation. I support that the later was in force.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

What lesson(s) did you draw from the event?

I am really more interested in what you think I believe. It is much easier to dispell the assumptions. I have made it evident on this forum and many others that I felt that the invasion into Iraq was an error of a huge scale.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

False. You have no proof that I supported the military response, I mean other than I was doing a my job as a senior military officer at the time.

I think you did, and still do, because anything less would devalue the sacrifice of friends who died, not defending the USA, but in a Neocon war.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I think you did, and still do, because anything less would devalue the sacrifice of friends who died, not defending the USA, but in a Neocon war.

I kept the military job and the politics separate. Most do. You do what you have to do and deal with the politics when you retire. I never considered it a "Neocon War". Most are filled with collosal errors, this one is no different. It was a job and we did it.

[TheMercenary]

One Day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pehz98Vygs

[Griff]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am really more interested in what you think I believe. It is much easier to dispell the assumptions. I have made it evident on this forum and many others that I felt that the invasion into Iraq was an error of a huge scale.

Here we go again, this time I'll apply the brakes early. Your ability to not stand for anything is a charming internet argument strategy.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

Here we go again, this time I'll apply the brakes early. Your ability to not stand for anything is a charming internet argument strategy.

I stand for lots of things. I just asked. But you can't box me into who you think I am or what I believe. So I asked out of curiosity so I could set the record straight. Just like I did with you. It is not a personal attack, just a discussion about how you think I think, which has so far been off the mark. Peace.