Hu

TheMercenary · 01-19-2011, 11:54 AM

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There will be champagne toasts galore and endless speeches about good will and mutual cooperation between America and China during tonight's White House state dinner for Chinese President and Communist Party General Secretary Hu Jintao. Here are three issues that probably won't be on the agenda during Hu's time in this country because President Obama and others in the U.S. government fear that raising them would offend Beijing.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...-probably-wont

TheMercenary · 01-19-2011, 11:55 AM

China will continue to march forward with modernization of its military, holding down it currency, and becoming more of a radical and assertive influence in the areas it considers it's circle of influence in the China Sea, regardless of anything Obama says....

TheMercenary · 01-19-2011, 12:17 PM

Another interesting assessment.

Hu and the Communiqués

http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...qu%C3%A9s-4734

Gravdigr · 01-19-2011, 04:01 PM

Did Horton just hear a Hu?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-19-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

China will continue to march forward with modernization of its military, holding down it currency, and becoming more of a radical and assertive influence in the areas it considers it's circle of influence in the China Sea, regardless of anything Obama says....

Yes, so why should he be demanding answers as the Examiner suggests?
Our relationship with China is like having a pet elephant, we may go everywhere together, but the elephant may be choosing where everywhere is.

Shawnee123 · 01-19-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Did Horton just hear a Hu?

Hu's on first?

piercehawkeye45 · 01-19-2011, 05:21 PM

I thought human rights was one of the topics that will be discussed? It may be Hilary instead of Obama but the topic of China's imprisonment of Liu Xiaobo was brought up in almost every article I read about Hu's visit.

Either way, I feel that article is just a bunch of fear-mongering. China will be our biggest competitor in the upcoming century but as of right now I have major doubts that it will lead to a second cold war. We are too dependent on each other.

Lamplighter · 01-19-2011, 05:38 PM

I think you meant to say our I.O.Hu.'s are too big to fail.

tw · 01-19-2011, 05:40 PM

Apparently many are is missing a problem that makes this meeting so important. Extremists on both sides have been ratcheting up the hate that would only end in war.

For example, when Sec of Defense Gates met with Hu, Gates mentioned China's new stealth plane that had flown just that day. Hu apparently had not even been told it exists. Extremists in the PLA routinely do not bother to tell the party what is ongoing. Paranoia in the party would only increase.

Obama has a similar problem. Secret American military programs are larger than the combined militaries of the next five countries. That is America's secret military program.

Meanwhile fatherland security has grown so large so fast that even former CIA and National Security Directors did not know about programs they were responsible for. Many of these programs are being run by Americans extremists who have agendas that are similar to the attitude of their Chinese counterparts.

How often are you spied upon? Guaranteed many if not all your phone conversation have been monitored or even stored somewhere. We do not know how massive this 'fatherland security' has grown. We know virtually every overseas conversation is recorded or monitored somewhere. Who is overseeing all this? Apparently no one. That sounds so much like the problems that Hu and the Chinese Communist party is suffering from.

Hu is here so that two leaders can establish enough trust so as to be able to keep their own extremists in line. Honesty, understanding, and trust between leaders is essential to any constructive relationship. Extremists on both sides will so often do anything to destroy that.

Happy Monkey · 01-19-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I thought human rights was one of the topics that will be discussed?

Yeah, I heard on the radio that the Examiner's first question will be or has been addressed. I suppose it's good form to scold them on human rights (though we've been descending from the moral high ground lately), but at this point it seems to be a ritual where we scold and they act all huffy, and then we get down to business.

The other questions boiled down to "why is China making toys like ours?"

TheMercenary · 01-19-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Our relationship with China is like having a pet elephant, we may go everywhere together, but the elephant may be choosing where everywhere is.

Well stated.

TheMercenary · 01-19-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The other questions boiled down to "why is China making toys like ours?"

You have kids right?

Did you want those with or without lead. Let me know so I can send them the right ones....

monster · 01-19-2011, 08:43 PM

China is the US's biggest importer of new citizens. Is there a lead test for citizenship?

TheMercenary · 01-19-2011, 08:45 PM

Yea, we just weigh them at the border.

monster · 01-19-2011, 08:57 PM

The China/America border?

01-19-2011, 11:55 AM	#2
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	China will continue to march forward with modernization of its military, holding down it currency, and becoming more of a radical and assertive influence in the areas it considers it's circle of influence in the China Sea, regardless of anything Obama says.... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-19-2011, 12:17 PM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Another interesting assessment. Hu and the Communiqués http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...qu%C3%A9s-4734 __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-19-2011, 04:01 PM	#4
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01-19-2011, 05:21 PM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I thought human rights was one of the topics that will be discussed? It may be Hilary instead of Obama but the topic of China's imprisonment of Liu Xiaobo was brought up in almost every article I read about Hu's visit. Either way, I feel that article is just a bunch of fear-mongering. China will be our biggest competitor in the upcoming century but as of right now I have major doubts that it will lead to a second cold war. We are too dependent on each other. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

01-19-2011, 08:43 PM	#13
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	China is the US's biggest importer of new citizens. Is there a lead test for citizenship? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

01-19-2011, 05:38 PM	#8
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	I think you meant to say our I.O.Hu.'s are too big to fail.

01-19-2011, 05:40 PM	#9
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Apparently many are is missing a problem that makes this meeting so important. Extremists on both sides have been ratcheting up the hate that would only end in war. For example, when Sec of Defense Gates met with Hu, Gates mentioned China's new stealth plane that had flown just that day. Hu apparently had not even been told it exists. Extremists in the PLA routinely do not bother to tell the party what is ongoing. Paranoia in the party would only increase. Obama has a similar problem. Secret American military programs are larger than the combined militaries of the next five countries. That is America's secret military program. Meanwhile fatherland security has grown so large so fast that even former CIA and National Security Directors did not know about programs they were responsible for. Many of these programs are being run by Americans extremists who have agendas that are similar to the attitude of their Chinese counterparts. How often are you spied upon? Guaranteed many if not all your phone conversation have been monitored or even stored somewhere. We do not know how massive this 'fatherland security' has grown. We know virtually every overseas conversation is recorded or monitored somewhere. Who is overseeing all this? Apparently no one. That sounds so much like the problems that Hu and the Chinese Communist party is suffering from. Hu is here so that two leaders can establish enough trust so as to be able to keep their own extremists in line. Honesty, understanding, and trust between leaders is essential to any constructive relationship. Extremists on both sides will so often do anything to destroy that.

01-19-2011, 08:45 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yea, we just weigh them at the border. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-19-2011, 08:57 PM	#15
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	The China/America border? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

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