Good Grief, Its Octomom!

[SamIam]

NEW YORK – Octuplets mother Nadya Suleman says she doesn't plan on having more children unless she gets married someday "far" in the future. She says if that ever happens, she would only have one child.

Widely known as "Octomom," Suleman has six older children. She appeared Wednesday on ABC's daytime talk show "The View," where she has been a frequent topic of debate.

Suleman's octuplets celebrated their first birthday in January.

All of her children were conceived by in vitro fertilization, and she has been criticized for having a huge family as a single mother on public assistance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100224/...v_octomom_view

How the hell did this woman afford the expense of in vitro fertilization if she's on public assistance? The last time I checked, public assistance was not an especially generous program.

There ought to be a line drawn somewhere. The woman already had six children and she went for eight more on the public tab? Usually, I am sympathetic to single Mom's who have to go on assistance. But this woman is crazy. Why should the public pay for this nutcase to bring more children into the world?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by SamIam

How the hell did this woman <REPEATEDLY> afford the expense of in vitro fertilization if she's on public assistance?

fixed that for you.

[ZenGum]

Afford it? Why did she want it? Was being a single parent of six too easy?

IMHO she must have had some mental issue - I need babies, lots of babies! - and IMHO the docs were negligent in indulging that instead of dealing with it as a condition. Like the doctors who gave that woman 38KKK breasts with implant after implant. They're huge, lady, if you think they're too small, its a problem in your head.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Afford it? Why did she want it? Was being a single parent of six too easy?

IMHO she must have had some mental issue

granted - but the larger issue is still who paid for it.

[ZenGum]

Maaan, you're bein like, such a total bread-head, dude.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's because she's symptomatic.

[SamIam]

Symptomatic of a broken system? There's a lot more to this story than what the article is saying. How could she take care of 8 babies plus 6 other children single-handed? How did she talk doctors into giving her so many in vitro babies. How does she care for 14 children on public assistance? The story sounds like one of those urban legends.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by SamIam

How the hell did this woman afford the expense of in vitro fertilization if she's on public assistance? The last time I checked, public assistance was not an especially generous program.

For reasons that are completely unclear, public assistance will not pay for tubal ligation, but will pay to reverse it.

I still can't get anyone to explain that one to me. I'm sure that paying for sterilizations and birth control has some sort of racist overtone. That must be it.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by wolf

For reasons that are completely unclear, public assistance will not pay for tubal ligation, but will pay to reverse it.

I still can't get anyone to explain that one to me. I'm sure that paying for sterilizations and birth control has some sort of racist overtone. That must be it.

Don't some conservative Christians oppose birth control because it leads to more free lovin'? Also, I know the Catholic Church think it's bad because every sperm is sacred.

[SamIam]

Well, I googled her and discovered that the doctor who implanted her with 8 embryos had his license revoked. I guess that's something.

[wolf]

There are religious overtones to any kind of birth control, but in the case I'm just looking at simple economics. Reveral of tubal ligation is extremely expensive, and often unsuccessful, because the eggs can't reliably make it past the scar tissue.

It costs $1-3K to get 'em tied, $6K for a bargain basement drive-thru reversal, $15K for high end untying. Mostly runs around $10K.

And you can have more little welfare recipients.

My tax dollars at work.

I also can't get anyone to explain why any recipient who tests positive for drugs or alcohol continues to receive benefits.

[tw]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Well, I googled her and discovered that the doctor who implanted her with 8 embryos had his license revoked.

For doing the procedure? Or for something else?

[classicman]

Michael Kamrava, an obstetrician/gynecologist in Beverly Hills, is accused of gross negligence and repeated negligent acts in the treatment of a patient named in the complaint only by her initials, N.S.

Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman has identified Kamrava as her doctor in interviews. Suleman has six children in addition to the octuplets, all conceived through in-vitro fertilization.

In filing the complaint in December, the medical board's executive director, Barbara Johnston, says Kamrava, while his patient was undergoing in-vitro, transferred a number of embryos that was "far in excess of [American Society for Reproductive Medicine] recommendations and beyond the reasonable judgment of any treating physician."

Additionally, the complaint says Kamrava should have referred his patient to a mental health physician after she repeatedly returned to him for additional in-vitro treatments shortly after each of her pregnancies.

Link

This says he was kicked out of an organization. Doesn't say his license was revoked though.

Dr. Michael Kamrava was kicked out of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine last month, group spokesman Sean Tipton said Monday.

Tipton said Kamrava has repeatedly violated the group's standards. He declined to provide details but said Kamrava was not expelled because of his work with any single patient.

I cannot find where his license was revoked . . .yet.

[SamIam]

Kamrava is under investigation by the California medical board. Sorry I jumped the gun a bit by stating that his license had been revoked.

[xoxoxoBruce]

When she gave birth, there was a ton of articles about her, her family, and the doctor. They explained the whole chronology, and characters involved. Yes, it reads like urban legend... fucking unbelievable.