Ancient History

[xoxoxoBruce]

The Cellar: A comprehensive history
The scene: before 1990. A whole set of enjoyable messaging BBSes abound. The granddaddy of them all is KAOS. It was started by Scott, then known as Maxwell Smart, and then sold to one John Bradley, generally only known as Captain Infinity. We all had handles back then; I was Rev. Wonder Toad...

There are a handful of folks here who were present back then. I won't name them because they know who they are, and if I miss one I will regret it for the rest of my days.

These systems were pretty enjoyable, but they had some limitations. They were all single-line systems. KAOS was unique in that at some point Cap'n Infinity had left the system running (in his grandmother's house?) and moved away. Often the system would fall into software or hardware disrepair. Sometimes it would be down for days, but everyone continued to call it.

Summer 1990... Scott and I discover some common interests and become friends. We are united in our thought that there should be a more modern KAOS with all the fixin's: multiple lines, sysops who actually fix things and advertise the system's presence, et cetera. We decide to make a project of it. He buys a load of hardware with some money that he'd made by doing consulting work. We set the system up in Scott's cellar. He has gotten an illicit copy of SCO Xenix from a friend who works in SCO tech support, and somehow we load the machine and get it running.

We start coding, thinking that we'll write our own BBS. For programmers, this is an all-too-common thought -- and generally a futile one. Eventually I find the Waffle BBS software through Usenet, and the list of features include everything we would have written into our own system. We buy a copy and find out that it's excellent -- almost exactly what we would have written. It appears to have lineage common to our own; its interface is similar to WWIV, a messaging-oriented, DOS-based BBS package. Oddly enough, there are even some hints of GBBS, the Apple II BBS system that KAOS was built upon.

Early September. I'm thinking about what we should call the system. Naming a system is harder than it seems. I jot down a few ideas, but nothing seems right. After a few days I stumble onto "The Cellar". I think it's perfect; it gives the system a ring of class. (Before that, we were stumbling around, using a working title like "Max and Toad's Place or some such.) "The Cellar" even represents its physical location. We go with it.

September 24, 1990. In a mad night of effort, we load the system, configure it, and start customizing it. In only a few hours, it's ready to go. We're both astounded at how easy it is to get everything ready. I start writing help frames and moving my collection of text files in. The first caller is Saint Craig, who runs another area system similar to KAOS called IAI (an acronym for the Institute of Artificial Insanity). Craig's system is still alive today.

The original system started with a files section that is even harder to use than the current one (if you can believe that). It opened with 8 "boards"; areas like "Home Base" and "Computing and Technology" were there from the beginning. Modifications such as the message marking system, the kill file, etc. are yet to arrive.

We announce the Cellar on all the local haunts. At this point it has two lines, and is limited to two lines by a combination of Xenix and PC hardware.

After two weeks, we've had about 50 callers. Of those 50, only four users are still calling today: myself, mason, adder, and revpk. The system's popularity starts to grow, but is still overshadowed by the other area systems.

Over the next few months I am obsessed with the idea of getting the system a Usenet feed. At first we add net mail and a few smaller newsgroups through UUNET; then, in January, we get a full feed through some contacts I have at Unisys. We thus become the first system in the area to offer any public access to Internet services.

We get on a few lists and people start to call us looking specifically for Usenet. We convert the system to SCO Unix, locate a board to allow us to expand the number of lines we can have, and add a third line dedicated to the net feed.

To try to drum up more interest, I start offering 100-series boards. The intention is for users to host their own areas, covering their own special interests. The idea works well on those boards where the "moderator" remains interested -- not so well when the moderator doesn't post very often.

By the end of 1991 we are getting 100 new callers every month. The Cellar has become the area's premier messaging BBS. There are regular get-togethers at Reading Terminal Market, attended by large numbers of users.

However, by now the system shares the KAOS legacy of not having someone to watch over the hardware. Scott has moved in with his girlfriend, leaving the system where it started, at his parents' house. We experience a number of problems with that arrangement. Once in a while the system becme unavailable and needs to be rebooted in such a way that we can't get it done remotely.

It becomes obvious that the system needs to move to Horsham, where Scott is. My own apartment situation seems less stable than theirs, and Scott is the owner of the hardware. We move the system, adding two more lines in the process. At this point the system has five lines and is in excellent shape.

Late '91, early '92, the expansion of Usenet starts to really fly. A full feed is getting harder to maintain. We replace the original 660 MB ESDI hard drive with a 1 Gig SCSI drive. We upgrade the original 386/33 to a 486/33. Scott is still funding the hardware, although the operating costs and feed costs are almost completely covered by subscriber fees. Almost.

Around about now the system is popular enough that a call for inline hockey players get enough people interested to form the nucleus of a team. Pushed along by darling, and coached by turtle, the Blades have regular practice sessions. Approximately 10 different Cellarites eventually get involved in some way or another.

We have a GTG at a Phillies game: a group outing. "The Cellar BBS" is displayed on the scoreboard when they run down the names of the groups there that day.

It's mid 1992, and I see less and less of Scott even though we now work five minutes from each other and live 20 minutes from each other. There are fewer and fewer late night programming sessions. It turns out that Scott is having serious lifestyle difficulties. He is eventually diagnosed with "gender dysphoria", but in general he is facing all sorts of gender confusion and is uncertain whether he is psychologically male or female. He becomes much less certain of his future. Eventually he leaves his girlfriend, and by 1993 the system moves to Trooper, in with Cellar user susanc, who is a friend of Scott's. Once again the system is orphaned, although Susan is extremely considerate, enjoys using the system, and doesn't mind being its keeper.

In between all this, I've gotten married, and not long thereafter my wife and I buy a house. One of the criteria I specify in our house hunting is that the house should be within the Philly metropolitan calling region -- I'm thinking about all the calls I'll make in that area, but also hoping that the system will move in with me. We find a place that does seem to be within the region, but I'm tricked! The house is in a zone where you can get metro plan calling to call OUT, but it is not strictly within the zone. So it's a toll call for metro callers caling IN to the house!

Nonetheless, in May 1993 I make a deal with Scott to buy the system from him. Scott has decided to move to California to better approach his "problem". So I move the system into my house, and set up a call forwarding system to allow people to use the numbers at Susan's house to reach the system sans toll. At the same time, the system goes to 7 lines -- 6 incoming, and one dedicated to the Usenet news feed.

The Cellar is written up in six inches of column space in the Welcomat. The article suggests that the system is hard for novices to use, perhaps intentionally so; but nonetheless it makes a great electronic tavern.

In early 1994 I add a second SCSI hard drive to try to manage the Usenet news. The system is often quite slow as it tries to keep the news flowing.

In August 1994 I hold the Cellar BBQ at my house. About 30 people attend. A good time is had by all. Also in attendance is one non-user: Dinty W. Moore, an author I've invited because he's writing a book on Internet culture. He interviews everyone and eventually makes the GTG into chapter 6 of his book, "The Emperor's Virtual Clothes: the Naked Truth about Internet Culture", which is published September 1995.

By 1994 the Internet has gone stark raving mad. It reaches the point where it is no longer feasible to maintain a full Usenet feed. I fight to make it work. I set up a feed through Net Access, because it seems like I'll have more say in how the feed will work, and perhaps gain the ability to segment out the groups that no-one reads. But by now people are interested in full Internet access, not just net news and net mail access, and over time there are fewer and fewer subscribers. Eventually I read the writing on the wall. Keeping the full feed is impossible, and people don't want to use the character-based interface for the net anyway. Spreading the continuing high costs over a smaller number of subscribers will put me in the poor house. In April 1995 I announce that the system will no longer be available for subscriptions. It'll continue on as a local BBS indefinitely.

I worry that the system will see less interest without the net. And it does see a drop off in modem and line usage, but the best users stick around and continue to use the system as it's best used: locally.

[xoxoxoBruce]

In between the net happenings, in March-April 1995 I have a few conversations with Avi Freedman about possibly moving the Cellar to Net Access. The Cellar and Net Access share some common ground as early net systems. When starting Net Access, Avi attended a Cellar get-together at Joy Tsin Lau to try to talk up his new system. (For two years thereafter, all of Net Access's get-togethers were at Joy Tsin Lau.) Many of NA's first callers come from the Cellar, or were personally referred by me. After some discussion, however, it becomes apparent that there are too many impasses, and that any "merger" will not be possible.

Soon thereafter I have conversations with Peter Sardella at Fishnet. He remembers the Cellar as the first place he went looking for a public Internet connection. By late 1995 we start discussing what it would take to move the Cellar to Fishnet or to network the Cellar through Fishnet. It never happens.

Mid '95... Dan Reed and Suzy Freeman get married, and credit the Cellar to bringing them together. The program for their wedding includes the congratulatory remarks that Cellar users made when the two of them announced their engagement.

At some point in late '95 I get disgusted with the fact that once in a while someone is afraid to debate me or speak openly with me because I'm the owner and sysop. So, in a staged move, I "sell" the system to the mythical J. R. "Bob" Dobbs, disguising at least for new users the fact that I'm really the owner. Several people think I've actually sold the system -- which is fine...

On June 1, 1998, The Cellar finally goes Internet-telnettable.

Approximately 4500 Cellar accounts have been opened since its inception. (Probably 30% of these are "duplicate" accounts, opened by people who forgot their original account information or whose original account was deleted over time.) Of these, only approximately 100 remain that have not been purged due to inactivity.

After some time, though, it becomes clear that telnet is too hard or too forgettable for the general userbase. Some don't have or can't find teir telnet access. The system lives on during this time, though.

But by January 2000 the interest in a telnettable BBS system becomes too low to remain palatable. During this time Thomas Anthony and I, who have been working together on various web sites, work together to develop a web forums system using Javascript and frames, help together by a database. We finally implement everything needed to get this forum system off the ground and it becomes the Cellar Mk. 4 -- the WEB-based Cellar.

The forum system is a little buggy, but the Cellar lives on during this period... but with a still-dwindling number of visitors. The system just doesn't encourage people to post. The Cellar almost dies during this period.

In January 2001 the Cellar is reincarnated as Cellar mk V using the vBulletin messaging system. This is the incarnation in which it lives today. Those previous users that could be located are located, and then the word is spread.

[Undertoad]

you figure i should update...?

[xoxoxoBruce]

No need, the rest is history, to coin a phrase. If you would prefer this stay buried, feel free to delete it, if you get permission from Bob Dobbs.

[Undertoad]

It's "Bob", with the quotation marks and as an ordained minister of the Church of the SubGenius, if I can find the membership card, I don't ask for permission I grant it.

[lumberjim]

You should write the next decade of history before you forget it.

[lumberjim]

Make sure you mention the huge bump in posts per day when I got here. That shit is important.

[Aliantha]

That was all interesting to read, but I admit, most of it goes over my head. I only finished high school in 89, and didn't even do anything on the internet till at least 10yrs later. Mind you, the internet and all it's predecessors weren't easily accessed by average Australians till much later than the US (or that's how it seems to me).

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's what much of it was about, because it wasn't easy here, either. Then it became easier for the people who were into computers, but it came slowly for the public who's only access was dial up, plus the search engines were a nightmare. I found out about Google in a weekly newspaper column that was giving tips about PCs and the internet. It rocked my world.

Not much attraction until the Google came along and made it easier to find stuff worth getting online for. Dumped NetZero and got hooked up, then fell into the Cellar and discovered people were actually talking to each other online, another revelation. When I told people I knew in real life about it, I got responses like, So?, Why?, and to swap recipes?

Where my brother lives they couldn't even get DSL until a couple years ago, suddenly cable and DSL appeared at the same time.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I found out about Google in a weekly newspaper column that was giving tips about PCs and the internet. It rocked my world.

I found out about search engines, I guess Google but I'm not sure, from a group of three friends who were running a website design startup (2 of the 3 also worked at the pizza place my best friend and I were at.) He was showing off this amazing new program called Photoshop to make his graphics, and we were duly impressed. Then he told us about search engines. "You can type in anything! I can type in 'shit,' and it will literally bring up a hundred web pages about shit."

Just imagine! A hundred webpages!

[Pamela]

Do NOT try that these days. There are many more than a hundred and some are really disgusting. Not that I would ever look into that, you understand.

I am one of those old-timey users. FTR.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Shit...
About 246,000,000 results (0.45 seconds)
That's a lot of shit.

[limey]

Well, THAT went downhill quickly. From a retelling of the noble ancient history of our Forum to a lot of shit (246,000,000 (s)hits).

[DanaC]

A lot of the tech stuff went over my head, but it was an interesting read. Also, I checked out that book about internet culture and found a sample that showed a decent chunk of the chapter about the dwellars' gtg.

I left school in 88, and J and I got our first modem in about '94/5 - back then you had to pay your per minute phone bill for dial up access, and monthly membership plus per minute internet provider access. Then it went to just monthly membership with the provider and then no monthly fee (God bless you Claranet and Freeserve) and you were just left with your per minute phone charges.

I do recall at one point, somewhere around '97/8 racking up a quarterly phone bill of close to £1500.

I also recall attempting to play Ultima Online with a 28k dial up connection.

I was so excited when we got a 56k (never really the full 56k) connection, and even more excited when we got DSL.

... and before there was Google, there were long nights trawling for info on horror movies and horror movie directors on Alta Vista and Dogpile, and a bunch of others whose names now escape me.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Trawling is right, working through the steps of those early search engines was trawling. And it was slow, when you were paying for the phone call it seemed even slower.

@Limey... Noble Ancient History? You should reread it without the rose colored glasses. It sounded to me like UT, and peers, went through a lot of shit trying to get this baby to fly. Maybe the Noble Anguish History, to which we owe a debt of gratitude.