Drug Wars tooooo close to home!

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Redux

I dont hate Merc...I think he and the double standards of some here are a joke.

If you want to accuse Shawnee of "hating away" and ignore Merc's hateful posts, that is your choice, just as it is mine to point out the double standard.

Knock yourself out, really, I don't care. I'll write my posts, thx.

Originally Posted by jinx

Knock yourself out, really, I don't care. I'll write my posts, thx.

You're welcome.

[Aliantha]

About this whole stopping people in the street, I personally can see both sides of the coin, but what it would come down to for me is that if you're in the country legally, you've got nothing to worry about.

I wouldn't have a problem with that happening over here, and it's not that I'm against immigration or refugees. It's simply because if people are here, they should be registered for healthcare and taxation etc so that they can contribute to our society.

People worry about too many refugees coming into Australia from or through Asia to the north lately, but I feel in all honesty that our nation - being pretty wealthy in comparison to most - that we could afford to help more. I am definitely against illegal immigration though. Not only for the reasons stated above, but also because of diseases both to our people but also our native flora and fauna which is precious.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

About this whole stopping people in the street, I personally can see both sides of the coin, but what it would come down to for me is that if you're in the country legally, you've got nothing to worry about.

I wouldn't have a problem with that happening over here, and it's not that I'm against immigration or refugees. It's simply because if people are here, they should be registered for healthcare and taxation etc so that they can contribute to our society.

People worry about too many refugees coming into Australia from or through Asia to the north lately, but I feel in all honesty that our nation - being pretty wealthy in comparison to most - that we could afford to help more. I am definitely against illegal immigration though. Not only for the reasons stated above, but also because of diseases both to our people but also our native flora and fauna which is precious.

I can't agree more.

But first we need to snap the borders shut.

Then we deal with those who are already here.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

About this whole stopping people in the street, I personally can see both sides of the coin, but what it would come down to for me is that if you're in the country legally, you've got nothing to worry about.

You can say the same thing about wiretapping...:if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

Except for the Constitution.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You can say the same thing about wiretapping...:if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

Except for the Constitution.

The Constitution deals with American Citizens. Not people from Poland, not people from Russia, not people from Mexico.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The Constitution deals with American Citizens. Not people from Poland, not people from Russia, not people from Mexico.

Since when?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Since when?

Since the Fourteenth Amendment in July 9, 1868.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Redux

You can say the same thing about wiretapping...:if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

Except for the Constitution.

My views on wiretapping are basically the same. Unless you're plotting something they're going to have a pretty boring old time listening to most people's private conversations.

Our constitution is a bit different to yours, and most people here don't have the same sort of views about it as people in the US. In fact, most people just want to live their life and do their thing and not worry about too much at all. People mostly don't even bother getting involved unless it affects them directly.

[Aliantha]

holy moley Cloud. Now look what you've done! lol

The Supreme Court ruled as recently as 2008 that detainees in Gitmo have the enshrined right to habeas corpus......just the latest example of rights guaranteed to non-citizens.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

The Supreme Court ruled as recently as 2008 that detainees in Gitmo have the enshrined right to habeas corpus......just the latest example of rights guaranteed to non-citizens.

Detainees in Gitmo are not illegal aliens, who entered this country illegally, against our current laws. Fail.

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Detainees in Gitmo are not illegal aliens, who entered this country illegally, against our current laws. Fail.

Right...the detainees were charged with a crime against the US that were far worse than unlawful entry into the US.

Non-citizens have protected rights...it is not a states rights issue.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Right...the detainees were charged with a crime against the US that were far worse than unlawful entry into the US.

Non-citizens have protected rights...it is not a states rights issue.

Enemy Combatants. Apples and Oranges. You really are a political idiot.

Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code had nothing to do with the Enemy Combantant of Gitmo.

Wait.... wait for it....

Obama Promised to close Gitmo... Why the fuck has your President not closed it yet? As he promised? He fails as well. Again.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Non-citizens have protected rights...it is not a states rights issue.

Non-citizens have no rights and should have none. They should be deported to their country of origin. All of them. Including those at Gitmo. Immediately. Close Gitmo NOW. And send them all back to their country of origin immediately. You agree right?

Right of Non-citizens is to abide by our laws or go home.