Drug Wars tooooo close to home! - Page 8

classicman · 04-21-2010, 04:37 PM

But not a peep about arresting the thousands of illegals that are bringing the shit here. noooooooo just the poor Mexicans trying to better their lives. Bullshit. Secure the friggin borders.

BrianR · 04-22-2010, 11:17 AM

Actually, the newspaper is full of news about pot busts crossing the border. At least once a week, there is a major bust for cocaine or pot. The newest thing is to recruit kids to stash a brick or two in their schoolbags and get them to bring it across the border, on the theory that CBP officers won't look too closely at kids, penalties are less for children and that the kids are easier to corrupt.

classicman · 04-22-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Secure the friggin borders.

TheMercenary · 04-22-2010, 06:15 PM

ZenGum · 04-22-2010, 10:52 PM

As long as the demand exists, someone (some many) will supply it. No amount of border sealing will fix that; maybe reduce it a bit.
As long as the US has both enough people who want drugs to be illegal to keep them so, and enough people who want to use drugs regardless, this situation will continue.

glatt · 04-23-2010, 10:18 AM

Kinda like "blood diamonds." I'm a little surprised that the anti-drug PSAs don't include guilt trips like showing dead bodies in the desert and saying "If you do drugs, you killed these people."

Shawnee123 · 04-23-2010, 11:44 AM

It's more fun to sit on the porch and yell about the borders, but it's hardly any kind of solution in the grand scheme.

Simple history: prohibition didn't work. Drug wars, or even Bully wars, don't work.

Duh!

Cloud · 04-23-2010, 12:38 PM

"secure the border"

very nice sound bite. very impossible to put into practice It's not so much about "illegals" as it is the bi-national nature of the border. Half of the people in my town have half their families on the other side, or work on the other side.

I am opposed, in principal, to people living here illegally and working, going to school etc. But the problem is complex, and even more so now, when people are seeking sanctuary from violence.

My heart hurts for the Mexican people, because it's a great country that I love, but -- Yes, we Americans contribute to the problem, but Mexican society, their customs, and their problems, have exacerbated it. Their willingness to look the other way, not hold their leaders accountable, their poverty and class imbalance, and the culture of bribery and corruption that has predominated for decades (if not centuries) has put them in a situation where they have no one to trust or turn to. It's very sad.

jinx · 04-23-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

It's more fun to sit on the porch and yell about the borders, but it's hardly any kind of solution in the grand scheme.

Simple history: prohibition didn't work. Drug wars, or even Bully wars, don't work.

Duh!

Drug wars don't work. What does that mean? That trying to enforce laws while people continue to break them doesn't work?
What about laws against speeding? Shoplifting? Murder? These violations/crimes continue despite law enforcement efforts, so... just fuck it?
I don't know either.

I do know I'm glad there are no crack houses in my neighborhood though.

Shawnee123 · 04-23-2010, 01:18 PM

Yep. Still drugs. Everywhere. Just say no, THANK YOU! (That's why just say no didn't do much...it wasn't very polite.)

Prohibition made the Kennedys and the mob rich. The War on Drugs makes gang-bangers and the mob rich.

It's called decriminalization. I don't think crack houses would even be needed anymore. Perhaps you're thinking I'm saying "don't enforce the current laws."

No, the arguments for legalization have been around for a long time. I don't think I need to reiterate them, or explain the huge difference.

Simple enough.

jinx · 04-23-2010, 01:34 PM

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Perhaps you're thinking I'm saying "don't enforce the current laws."

I don't know what you're saying, that's why I asked.
I still don't.

classicman · 04-23-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

"secure the border"
very nice sound bite. very impossible to put into practice It's not so much about "illegals" as it is the bi-national nature of the border. Half of the people in my town have half their families on the other side, or work on the other side.

That is not an issue if they are here legally, if not? Tough shit, Pick a side.

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I am opposed, in principal, to people living here illegally and working, going to school etc. But the problem is complex, and even more so now, when people are seeking sanctuary from violence.

Go home and fix your problems - coming here and spreading the violence and other issues into this country is not a viable solution.

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Yes, we Americans contribute ...

We cannot afford to take the hit for the worlds ills anymore -
We have our own issues to deal with.
We help everyone everytime there is a problem and everyone wants our help. Time to deal with our own issues and let them deal with theirs. If we can curb the ease in which people AND/OR drugs flow into our country, we will all be the better for it.

Spexxvet · 04-23-2010, 04:08 PM

Weren't the Soviets evil for building the Berlin Wall? Just asking.

classicman · 04-23-2010, 04:20 PM

That would depend upon who you are asking and why that wall was built.

Jus sayin

Cloud · 04-23-2010, 04:20 PM

I agree with Spexxvit, in the main, except for the "tough shit, pick a side" part. I live here, and that's just not the way people live their lives. Closing the borders would separate families and hurt the US economically.

04-21-2010, 04:37 PM	#106
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	But not a peep about arresting the thousands of illegals that are bringing the shit here. noooooooo just the poor Mexicans trying to better their lives. Bullshit. Secure the friggin borders. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-22-2010, 11:17 AM	#107
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Actually, the newspaper is full of news about pot busts crossing the border. At least once a week, there is a major bust for cocaine or pot. The newest thing is to recruit kids to stash a brick or two in their schoolbags and get them to bring it across the border, on the theory that CBP officers won't look too closely at kids, penalties are less for children and that the kids are easier to corrupt. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-22-2010, 10:52 PM	#110
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	As long as the demand exists, someone (some many) will supply it. No amount of border sealing will fix that; maybe reduce it a bit. As long as the US has both enough people who want drugs to be illegal to keep them so, and enough people who want to use drugs regardless, this situation will continue. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

04-23-2010, 11:44 AM	#112
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	It's more fun to sit on the porch and yell about the borders, but it's hardly any kind of solution in the grand scheme. Simple history: prohibition didn't work. Drug wars, or even Bully wars, don't work. Duh! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-23-2010, 12:38 PM	#113
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	"secure the border" very nice sound bite. very impossible to put into practice It's not so much about "illegals" as it is the bi-national nature of the border. Half of the people in my town have half their families on the other side, or work on the other side. I am opposed, in principal, to people living here illegally and working, going to school etc. But the problem is complex, and even more so now, when people are seeking sanctuary from violence. My heart hurts for the Mexican people, because it's a great country that I love, but -- Yes, we Americans contribute to the problem, but Mexican society, their customs, and their problems, have exacerbated it. Their willingness to look the other way, not hold their leaders accountable, their poverty and class imbalance, and the culture of bribery and corruption that has predominated for decades (if not centuries) has put them in a situation where they have no one to trust or turn to. It's very sad. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-22-2010, 06:15 PM	#109
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393

04-23-2010, 10:18 AM	#111
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Kinda like "blood diamonds." I'm a little surprised that the anti-drug PSAs don't include guilt trips like showing dead bodies in the desert and saying "If you do drugs, you killed these people."

04-23-2010, 01:18 PM	#115
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Yep. Still drugs. Everywhere. Just say no, THANK YOU! (That's why just say no didn't do much...it wasn't very polite.) Prohibition made the Kennedys and the mob rich. The War on Drugs makes gang-bangers and the mob rich. It's called decriminalization. I don't think crack houses would even be needed anymore. Perhaps you're thinking I'm saying "don't enforce the current laws." No, the arguments for legalization have been around for a long time. I don't think I need to reiterate them, or explain the huge difference. Simple enough. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-23-2010, 04:08 PM	#118
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Weren't the Soviets evil for building the Berlin Wall? Just asking. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

04-23-2010, 04:20 PM	#119
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	That would depend upon who you are asking and why that wall was built. Jus sayin __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-23-2010, 04:20 PM	#120
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I agree with Spexxvit, in the main, except for the "tough shit, pick a side" part. I live here, and that's just not the way people live their lives. Closing the borders would separate families and hurt the US economically. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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