Drug Wars tooooo close to home! - Page 5

sugarpop · 03-13-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero

A friend also uses pot for "medical" purposes in CO legally. It is legal sometimes.

Here's the rub. Medicinal marijuana is legal in some states, but federal law usurps state law. Eric Holder, the new Attorney General, has said he will leave it up to states how they want to deal with pot, and the DEA will no longer go after people in states that have legalized it. That, however, is new. The DEA most certainly would go after people in legal states before. In fact, they made an effort to rub it in in states where the people had voted to legalize it. And it just makes the crime worse.

When will we learn prohibition doesn't work? It didn't work back in the 20s with alcohol, and it doesn't work now with drugs. We will NEVER win the "war" on drugs. It is a big, fat waste of money, and it tramples on people's individual rights. All drug laws should be repealed.

Cicero · 03-13-2009, 05:25 PM

Yah I totally agree with that. But I was just trying to emphasize the fact that the term, "illegal" was loose.

Yes I know a lot of the drugs coming in are pot. But people seem to think that the "drug war" is the "pot war"....

Legalizing "drugs" is a little different from legalizing pot. We have already discussed here the statistics on legalized heroin and other drugs....the reports coming back were not good and countries that legalized other drugs are now taking that back because of the ensuing violence and crime.

The Onion Headline that still makes me laff: "Drugs Wins War on Drugs."

sugarpop · 03-13-2009, 05:34 PM

ah, gotcha.

I just find it very disingenuous when people rant about illegal drugs, while TV is overloaded with commercials from pharmceutical companies pushing THEIR drugs.

I think ANY PLANT should be legal, including mushrooms, peyote, etc. I understand some drugs really ARE evil, like ICE, and heroin, and crack. But, I don't think people should be thrown in jail for using them. Confiscate them and destroy them on the spot maybe, I don't know. But, if someone is using drugs, but they aren't breaking any other laws, then I believe it is their right to do that. As long as they aren't hurting someone else.

Cicero · 03-13-2009, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop

ah, gotcha.

I just find it very disingenuous when people rant about illegal drugs, while TV is overloaded with commercials from pharmceutical companies pushing THEIR drugs.

I think ANY PLANT should be legal, including mushrooms, peyote, etc. I understand some drugs really ARE evil, like ICE, and heroin, and crack. But, I don't think people should be thrown in jail for using them. Confiscate them and destroy them on the spot maybe, I don't know. But, if someone is using drugs, but they aren't breaking any other laws, then I believe it is their right to do that. As long as they aren't hurting someone else.

Anecdote:

I was visiting my sister that takes various pharmaceuticals. She walks into the kitchen raving to my mom about junkies. Both of them were on scrips, right as they were complaining about it. Both of them, high and complaining about drug users. I shake my head.

sugarpop · 03-14-2009, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero

Anecdote:

I was visiting my sister that takes various pharmaceuticals. She walks into the kitchen raving to my mom about junkies. Both of them were on scrips, right as they were complaining about it. Both of them, high and complaining about drug users. I shake my head.

LOL. Cute.

Hey Cicero, where might I find that discussion about the legalization of other, more dangerous drugs? Since there are a lot of people here from other countries, I've been wanting to find out how that's been going. I remember seeing some documentary several years ago, and the outlook seemed pretty bright for some of the addicts that had gotten into programs, but I haven't seen anything else since then. Soooo...

sugarpop · 03-14-2009, 07:18 AM

Ron Paul was debating Stephen Baldwin last night on Larry King whether pot should be legalized. It was pretty funny, a Baldwin brother debating against legalizing pot, and a politician debating FOR legalization.

classicman · 03-14-2009, 11:53 AM

Here is a link about the interview.

Well Ron Paul thinks its ok to drive while under the influence of marijuana. He also doesn't think there is any DUI for marijuana..

Baldwin guaranteed that marijuana use will lead to other drugs.

Shawnee123 · 03-14-2009, 12:06 PM

That was great! Thanks for the link.

Beestie · 03-14-2009, 07:07 PM

Sorry Cloud, the hits just keep on coming...

Police find 7 bodies in Mexican border city

Cloud · 03-14-2009, 09:08 PM

it's a daily occurrence. Just in the past couple of weeks, they found several decapitated heads in ice chests near Guadalajara (which is NOT near the border); a prominent lawyer was gunned down as he sat in a busy intersection in broad daylight in Juarez; and the police chief there resigned. Mexico has sent thousands of troops into the city to keep the peace. Citizens are paying them to stand on their street on in front of their businesses; one can only presume the drug cartels are paying them not to.

ETA: it's 9 bodies now

sugarpop · 03-15-2009, 10:36 PM

And yet more reasons to legalize drugs in this country.

classicman · 03-16-2009, 08:23 AM

Or build a wall.

TheMercenary · 03-16-2009, 09:49 AM

Not sure it would help.

Cloud · 03-16-2009, 10:53 AM

the wall is built. it's a done deal. and no, I don't think it will help much.

classicman · 03-16-2009, 12:14 PM

Wait when did that happen?

03-13-2009, 05:25 PM	#2
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Yah I totally agree with that. But I was just trying to emphasize the fact that the term, "illegal" was loose. Yes I know a lot of the drugs coming in are pot. But people seem to think that the "drug war" is the "pot war".... Legalizing "drugs" is a little different from legalizing pot. We have already discussed here the statistics on legalized heroin and other drugs....the reports coming back were not good and countries that legalized other drugs are now taking that back because of the ensuing violence and crime. The Onion Headline that still makes me laff: "Drugs Wins War on Drugs." __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

03-14-2009, 11:53 AM	#7
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Here is a link about the interview. Well Ron Paul thinks its ok to drive while under the influence of marijuana. He also doesn't think there is any DUI for marijuana.. Baldwin guaranteed that marijuana use will lead to other drugs. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 03-14-2009 at 12:09 PM.

03-14-2009, 12:06 PM	#8
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	That was great! Thanks for the link. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-14-2009, 07:07 PM	#9
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Sorry Cloud, the hits just keep on coming... Police find 7 bodies in Mexican border city __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

03-14-2009, 09:08 PM	#10
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	it's a daily occurrence. Just in the past couple of weeks, they found several decapitated heads in ice chests near Guadalajara (which is NOT near the border); a prominent lawyer was gunned down as he sat in a busy intersection in broad daylight in Juarez; and the police chief there resigned. Mexico has sent thousands of troops into the city to keep the peace. Citizens are paying them to stand on their street on in front of their businesses; one can only presume the drug cartels are paying them not to. ETA: it's 9 bodies now __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!" Last edited by Cloud; 03-14-2009 at 09:16 PM.

03-13-2009, 05:34 PM	#3
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	ah, gotcha. I just find it very disingenuous when people rant about illegal drugs, while TV is overloaded with commercials from pharmceutical companies pushing THEIR drugs. I think ANY PLANT should be legal, including mushrooms, peyote, etc. I understand some drugs really ARE evil, like ICE, and heroin, and crack. But, I don't think people should be thrown in jail for using them. Confiscate them and destroy them on the spot maybe, I don't know. But, if someone is using drugs, but they aren't breaking any other laws, then I believe it is their right to do that. As long as they aren't hurting someone else.

03-14-2009, 07:18 AM	#6
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Ron Paul was debating Stephen Baldwin last night on Larry King whether pot should be legalized. It was pretty funny, a Baldwin brother debating against legalizing pot, and a politician debating FOR legalization.

03-15-2009, 10:36 PM	#11
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	And yet more reasons to legalize drugs in this country.

03-16-2009, 08:23 AM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Or build a wall. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-16-2009, 09:49 AM	#13
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Not sure it would help. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-16-2009, 10:53 AM	#14
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	the wall is built. it's a done deal. and no, I don't think it will help much. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

03-16-2009, 12:14 PM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Wait when did that happen? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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