RIP, famous person

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There are people (still) who get by just fine without true love. You can learn to love anyone/thing, and you can learn to get by without it.

Yep, Old Hef was surrounded by beautiful women, slept on piles of hundred dollar bills, partied his phucking ass off his entire life, and died, at the Playboy mansion, at the age of ninety-fucking-one. Yeah that fellow was pathetic alright.[/immeasurablesarcasm]

And he was on my list.

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Wonder how long they've been saving this one?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Sure. 18-year-olds are known for falling deeply in love with all the unwealthy 42-year-old men in their lives.

There you go with personal opinion and tropes. You have no way of proving who was, or was not, in love with whom. You'd even have to define what is, and is not, love. If a 13 year old girl says she's madly in love with her French teacher, everyone is quick to scoff at her because they are older, wiser, and know better. Granted it's best to discourage her because of the social and legal nightmare. But that does not mean she is not truly and deeply in love.

[Glinda]

There will always be those who love famously, and those who love fame. I don't presume to know how many of Hef's lovers fit which category, and the reality is, it doesn't matter at all. Those were Hef's personal choices to make and they didn't effect me (or anyone else, other than Hef and his girlfriends) in the least.

I don't recall hearing about Hef being a shitty human being, or seeing news stories about former girlfriends writing ugly tell-alls about his behavior. I know he was fairly philanthropic and that he fought for and supported civil rights issues (same-sex marriage, for one).

His passions were beautiful women and sexual freedom, and he followed them to great success and wealth. I don't have any beefs against the guy.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Glinda

I don't recall hearing about Hef being a shitty human being, or seeing news stories about former girlfriends writing ugly tell-alls about his behavior.

Jennifer Saginor
Izabella St. James
Kendra Wilkinson
Holly Madison
Dorothy Stratten
Gloria Steinem

And those are just the ones who could write a coherent sentence. I'm not absolving the girls of their own responsibility for their situation. And there are certainly some who understood what they were getting into, took it for the career boost it was, and successfully moved on to bigger and better things. I'm not saying he was a brutal rapist or anything. But the glamour was a lie, and the emotional abuse was real, not to mention the pressure to get high and have sex with his friends or else risk being banished from his good graces.

He fought for LGBT rights when no one else was. He fought for women's rights way before a lot of other people (with the exception of the women living in his home.) He wasn't all bad. But like anyone with a public brand to maintain, the truth is always uglier than the Instagram photos.

[Glinda]

Jennifer Saginor - she was the daughter of Hef's private doctor, who brought her to live at the Mansion because she demanded to live with her father at the Mansion. Not Hef's doing (although he should have insisted his doctor remove her from the house).

Izabella St. James - Aw. The Mansion was "shabby," and she had to be in by 9 p.m. most nights. How awful for her!

Kendra Wilkinson - Her life with Hef doesn't sound so terribly ugly or damaging. In fact, she says some very kind things about him.

Holly Madison - Apparently life after Hef consists of writing whiny books about how innocent she was, how damaged she is, and how MEAN everybody has been to her. *pout*

Dorothy Stratten -Murdered by her husband; hardly Hef's fault.

Gloria Steinem - Paid by her magazine employer in 1963 to reveal what it took to be a Bunny. The astonishing answer: pretty, thin, and able to serve drinks in high heels. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Meh.

[Undertoad]

His daughter is a highly able, strong, and philanthropic woman and I will partly judge him by that

I have heard Ms. Madison tell some of her tale, and it is appalling.

[sexobon]

Monty Hall, legendary host of ‘Let’s Make a Deal,' dead at 96

He's probably standing before Saint Peter who's asking him - Do you want gate number one, gate number two, or gate number three?

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Tom Petty

Oct 20, 1950 - Oct 2, 2017

(Fellow gravedigger, btw)

[Clodfobble]

I was in high school when "You Don't Know How It Feels" came out. The student-run news program used a clip of the song as the intro to their broadcast one morning, and my whole classroom started singing along, "let's get... to the point, let's roll... another joint."

And then it was a big school-wide scandal, and the news crew wasn't allowed to use music with lyrics anymore. Good times.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Three down two to go, Dylan is 76 and lynne is near 70.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Three down two to go, Dylan is 76 and lynne is near 70.

Jeez, I saw Jeff Lynne years back at the Schubert Theater with ELO. The opening act was supposed to be Robin Trower and instead we got Fleetwood Mac. Of course this was before Stevie Nicks and they weren't very welcomed by the audience. I'm sure it was a low point for the band.

Actually, I as just looking at the Wiki for Fleetwood Mac and it's entirely possible I got to see the "fake" Fleetwood Mac. What the hell did I know, I think I was in ninth grade at that point.

Excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetw...2.80.931974.29

"The fake Fleetwood Mac (1974)[edit]
In 1974, the band's manager, Clifford Davis, then claimed that he owned the name Fleetwood Mac, and recruited members of a band called Legs (which had recently issued one single under Davis' management)[26] to tour as Fleetwood Mac.

The fake Fleetwood Mac consisted of Elmer Gantry (vocals, guitar), Kirby Gregory (guitar), Paul Martinez (bass), John Wilkinson (keyboards) and Australian-born drummer Craig Collinge (formerly of The Librettos, Procession and Third World War). Fans were told that Bob Welch and John McVie had quit the group, and that Mick Fleetwood and Christine McVie would be joining the band at a later date. The members of the fake Fleetwood Mac apparently had been told that Mick Fleetwood would join them on later dates, and averred that Fleetwood had been involved in the early planning stages of the tour before dropping out.[27]

As the tour got underway, Fleetwood Mac's road manager, John Courage, realised that the line-up being used wasn't authentic. Courage ended up hiding the real Fleetwood Mac's equipment, which helped shorten the tour by the fake band, which soon dissolved. But the lawsuit that followed—regarding who actually owned the rights to the band name "Fleetwood Mac"—put the real Fleetwood Mac out of commission for almost a year. While the band was named after Mick Fleetwood and John McVie, they had signed contracts that showed the band forfeited the rights to the name."

PS: Hello to the original members of cellar.org (with Waffle BBS!). This is the long lost meph AKA Chowderhead #1. I tried to activate my account but I'm guessing the email I used to register is an old domain that's long gone. So it's a new account.

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It's true, there ain't a lot o' Wilburys left.

[fargon]

I'm sad. I never got to see Tom Petty in concert.

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Originally Posted by fargon

I'm sad. I never got to see Tom Petty in concert.

You should be sad. I did see him in concert. He *opened* for B. B. King at the Hollywood Bowl. What a concert that was...