Al Franken...is this for real? - Page 29

classicman · 04-20-2009, 10:07 PM

I was referring to the stimulus bill.

But thanks for the procedural info. I didn't realize that the budget didn't go back to the Pres. after approval.

04-20-2009, 10:12 PM

Re: the stimulus bill....Obama was elected to do something quickly and it includes provisions for oversight and transparency.

The Pres ultimately signs (or vetoes) each of the 13 separate appropriation bills that make up the budget. That is supposed to happen by Sept 30, but hasnt for the last few Congresses.....then comes those catch all "omnibus" bills that keep the government running.

I think the Senate has a 1200 page document that explains the budget process...lol.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

The next step are 13 separate appropriation bills which make up the budget, again, where Republicans will have opportunities to offer amendments on each of those bills.

Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105)

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Despite some initial concern last week among Democratic leaders, they successfully maneuvered around some tricky Republican amendments and kept the bill from being modified.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said that she would not make her members vote on the package again if the Senate changed it. That would have meant an extension of an existing continuing resolution. That will not be necessary and the bill will now be sent to the President, who will sign it.

Update (3/11): President Obama has signed this bill into law.

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/03...riations-bill/

04-20-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105)

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/03...riations-bill/

Right....Obama signed the 09 omnibus bill....which was Bush's last budget....and the Republicans didnt get everything they want..it is not an issue of transparency...they are the minority!

The 2010 budget resolution that he sent to Congress in Feb does not come back to him for signature....that is the law.

sugarpop · 04-20-2009, 10:16 PM

Republicans are going to continue saying no, simply because they want to obstruct anything and everything they can, whether it is good or not. They want to usurp power because they are sorry losers.

About the Florida election, HBO (or maybe it was PBS) did a documentary a while back about it. Some people who were collecting the ballots found evidence that in one precinct the original ballots had been thrown in the trash and other ones had replaced them. the ballots that were thrown away had Gore winning, the ballots that replaced the original ones had Bush winning. It was really horrifying. You should check it out. I can't remember at the moment what it was called, but I will try to look it up and post it later.

04-20-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Omnibus Appropriations bill (H.R. 1105)

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/03...riations-bill/

Your implication that because the Republcans dont get everything they want or dont want in the budgtet..and bitch and moan...that somehow there is a lack of transparency.

Bullshit.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Right....Obama signed the 09 omnibus bill....which was Bush's last budget....and the Republicans didnt get everything they want..it is not an issue of transparency...they are the minority!

You crack me up. What an apologist! Now it is because they are the majority. Which is it?

"Hey, fuck you, we are in charge."

You are a partisan hack for the demoncrats.

classicman · 04-20-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Re: the stimulus bill....Obama was elected to do something quickly and it includes provisions for oversight and transparency.

Dude - can you just agree that it got slammed through in a completely unreasonable time frame? Seriously. It was so friggin blatant. you are losing cred here. It was a joke and everyone knows it. Her trip was planned and she wasn't changing her plans for anybody.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Republicans are going to continue saying no, simply because they want to obstruct anything and everything they can, whether it is good or not. They want to usurp power because they are sorry losers.

Some - absolutely - some are very good hardworking people - just like some democrats. They just have ideological differences.
On the other hand, some of them, from both parties, need to go away - they are the problem. They are the lifelong politicians who get corrupted by the power and the money.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

About the Florida election,

It was a movie on HBO - It was as real as the bullshit Mikey Moore does. ie - not at all.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Your implication that because the Republcans dont get everything they want or dont want in the budgtet..and bitch and moan...that somehow there is a lack of transparency.

Bullshit.

No, as I have posted they did not provide transparency by not releasing the details of the budget through a very short suspence. Stop being such an apologist. It was all over the news.

Undertoad · 04-20-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

About the Florida election, HBO (or maybe it was PBS) did a documentary a while back about it.

I gave you documented information from the New York Times...

You gave me a weak memory of some scene that frightened you in a film made for pay TV by the guy who did the Austin Powers films.

04-20-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You crack me up. What an apologist! Now it is because they are the majority. Which is it?

"Hey, fuck you, we are in charge."

You are a partisan hack for the demoncrats.

Please cite the specific sections of the current House and/or Senate rules that you think allow for a lack transparency....or that provide fewer privileges for the minority than the previous rules that the Republicans implemented that limited the prvilieges of the Democrats.

Not what you read in Malkin or quote from some Repub in Congress....cite the section of the rules. Hell, not one Republican member of Congress could..maybe you can do better.

I cite facts about the budget process, the ethics/earmark/lobbying reform law and you retort with bullshit.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Please cite the specific sections of the current House and/or Senate rules that you think allow for a lack transparency....or that provide fewer privileges for the minority than the previous rules that the Republicans implemented that limited the prvilieges of the Democrats.

Your continual return to this subject is a total smoke screen.

I have repeatedly pointed out that there was a lack of transprency due to the way the bills were presented for review, on short notice. You can have all the rules you want and pass all the laws you want saying that you are not going to do business as usual. Pelosi has continually lied to the American public about how she was going to conduct business as the Majority Leader. She has failed. You have failed to convince me. Your opinion, which you hold up to be "facts", are not so factual when I have shown how business has been actually conducted. I suggest we move on from this disagreement.

04-20-2009, 10:33 PM

Can you cite one fact that disputes the facts I cited about the budget process, the current rules of the House and
Senate?

The so-called "lack of transparency" that you bitch about is your opinion....shared only by the whiners on the right.

Where in the House/Senate rules was that transparency blocked or Republicans denied a voice in the process?

What provisions of the current House/Senate rules are more restrictive than the previous Republican rules?

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

I cite facts about the budget process, the ethics/earmark/lobbying reform law and you retort with bullshit.

And I cite facts about how they actually have done business since taking charge of Congress in 2006, and they have done nothing but talk out of both sides of their mouth as they hide what is going on until the last minute, and spew bullshit through their apologists.

TheMercenary · 04-20-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Can you cite one fact that disputes the facts I cited about the budget process, the current rules of the House and
Senate?

The s0-called "lack of transparency" that you bitch about is opinion....where in the House/Senate rules was that transparency blocked?

You cite nothing more than the party line. Not what is actually happening in the budget process and how Pelosi and Reid have delt with the budget.

http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=558329&postcount=416

04-20-2009, 10:07 PM	#421
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I was referring to the stimulus bill. But thanks for the procedural info. I didn't realize that the budget didn't go back to the Pres. after approval. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-20-2009, 10:12 PM	#422
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Re: the stimulus bill....Obama was elected to do something quickly and it includes provisions for oversight and transparency. The Pres ultimately signs (or vetoes) each of the 13 separate appropriation bills that make up the budget. That is supposed to happen by Sept 30, but hasnt for the last few Congresses.....then comes those catch all "omnibus" bills that keep the government running. I think the Senate has a 1200 page document that explains the budget process...lol.

04-20-2009, 10:16 PM	#425
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Republicans are going to continue saying no, simply because they want to obstruct anything and everything they can, whether it is good or not. They want to usurp power because they are sorry losers. About the Florida election, HBO (or maybe it was PBS) did a documentary a while back about it. Some people who were collecting the ballots found evidence that in one precinct the original ballots had been thrown in the trash and other ones had replaced them. the ballots that were thrown away had Gore winning, the ballots that replaced the original ones had Bush winning. It was really horrifying. You should check it out. I can't remember at the moment what it was called, but I will try to look it up and post it later.

04-20-2009, 10:33 PM	#433
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Can you cite one fact that disputes the facts I cited about the budget process, the current rules of the House and Senate? The so-called "lack of transparency" that you bitch about is your opinion....shared only by the whiners on the right. Where in the House/Senate rules was that transparency blocked or Republicans denied a voice in the process? What provisions of the current House/Senate rules are more restrictive than the previous Republican rules?

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